[AR] Re: SpaceX F9 Launch/Update -- Live Link

  • From: Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:50:54 -0700



On 12/27/2015 11:13 AM, David Weinshenker wrote:

On 12/25/2015 09:25 PM, Henry Spencer wrote:
Why not go for more powerful liquid motors or more of them instead...

Because the US has no suitable large liquid engines. The RS-27A is out
of production and too small, the RS-68 uses the wrong fuel for
high-thrust first-stage engines, and that was basically it for
off-the-shelf engines. And there is reason to fear the cost and schedule
impact of having MSFC and Rocketdyne develop a big new engine.

In other words, we've (post-SSME) let our design pipeline for large
booster engines run dry, to the extent that any new effort along those
lines would effectively be starting from scratch (and therefore looks
like a "long pole in the tent" in the context of near-term launch
vehicle proposals.)

Or put another way, once you have an incoming launch vehicle
requirement, it may be too late - especially in the context
of the compressed budget and schedule expectations which seem
to be the "modern" fashion - to initiate an applicable engine
development project. (Note that the F-1 work began well before
anything resembling the Saturn/Apollo launch configuration, as
such, had been explicitly specified - but it was foreseen that
lunar missions might be proposed, and it could be anticipated
that these would require large launch vehicles and new high-
thrust engines.)


One major reason for this dry pipeline is that major US rocket engine development projects within the traditional government-industry complex have been far too expensive to complete on spec for a generation now. Several have been tried; they tend to be killed after burning their first billion or so with a useful engine still more billions away.

Henry

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