[AR] Re: [UK OFFICIAL] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster (was "Anyone heard of this?")

  • From: Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6186@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 00:46:02 +0100

On 06/08/14 23:19, Pierce Nichols wrote:
That's why the pendulum should be a string.

Nope, that doesn't work either. Get a gyroscope, tie a string to one end, and see ...


Or better, get a gyro with a horizontal axis, tie a string to its frame, and run it up slowly. Different effect, but the string will still bend to the side while the gyro is running up or slowing down.


Any pendulum is actually pretty easy to fake, sorry about that folks.




-- Peter Fairbrother



-p

On Aug 6, 2014 3:04 PM, "Peter Fairbrother" <zenadsl6186@xxxxxxxxx
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    On 04/08/14 13:18, Aplin Alexander T wrote:

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        Jake Anderson:

            I do like the idea of the test being done in basically a
            clear bell jar

        inside a (large) Faraday cage.

            I also like the pendulum, however I'm less keen on the piezo
            pressure

        sensor.

            I suggest a laser interferometer aimed at the pendulum.
            If you want to verify thrust in a direction put 2 test
            devices on it,

        have the oppose each other, turn one on you should get a
        displacement in
        one direction, turn it off you should return to zero, >turn the
        other on
        displacement in the opposite direction, you don't need to make any
        changes inside the test device to perform the test which is nice.

        FWIW Jerry Pournelle (SF author and former aerospace engineer who
        previously encountered the ‘Dean Drive’) is also pro the
        ‘pendulum in
        vacuum’ test method:



    I don't think that's enough - at the least you need two joints, one
    at the top and one at the bottom of the pendulum arm. Otherwise a
    clever fraudster could simply move the center of mass of the
    drive/bob to one side, and the arm would tilt.


    Worse, even a two-joint arm would not be enough - a suitably
    oriented attitude control gyroscope could still cause the main arm
    to tilt.


    I'm not sure even three joints is enough, though I'm not certain of
    that - spinning up a gyroscope might cause a tilt for long enough


    -- Peter Fairbrother


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