[AR] Re: arocket Digest V3 #50

  • From: Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:03:47 -0700

Yes. One proposal I saw (a while back) for intercontinental power transmission in fact involved beaming it via one or more passive orbital reflectors. In other words, it's implicit in any technology that would enable practical SPS that intercontinental power transmission would also become practical, and at some significantly lower requirement for on-orbit hardware mass and complexity.


Henry

On 3/17/2015 12:42 AM, Bill Claybaugh wrote:
The guy who wants to build solar power satellites thinks power can not be 
shipped across an ocean.

Really?

Bill

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On Mar 17, 2015, at 2:59 AM, Keith Henson <hkeithhenson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Jim Davis <jimdavis2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Keith,

1. You seem to be deliberately avoiding the term specific impulse in
favor of exhaust velocity. Any particular reason for that?

I just got out of the habit.  Done an awful lot of calculation for
beamed energy and it was less trouble to use exhaust velocity to
calculate the energy consumption of the engines.  Factor of ten is
within 2%/

2. Am I reading that graph on page 2 correctly? If Skylon makes "only" a
100 flights per year the cost to LEO is over $5000/kg?

That's what the graph from RE says.  If you build these things at all,
you need a large space traffic model for them to make sense.  Like a
power satellite construction project.

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From: Ian Woollard <ian.woollard@xxxxxxxxx>

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Another type of power is peaker plants; those are used when the network
needs extra power, and they're often highly inefficient, but they can
command more than ten times the price per kilowatt. They run only a small
fraction of the time.

In the long run, power satellites should cost less than peaker plants.
So it makes sense to build out power satellites to peak demand, in
fact well beyond peak demand.  Instead of managing the grid by
generation, in the future we could manage it by load.  Any available
power between current load and the capacity of the power satellites
would be diverted into electrolysis plants to make cheap hydrogen.  We
can use the hydrogen and CO2 salvaged out of the air to make synthetic
hydrocarbons.  The energy to make the hydrogen for a bbl of oil is 20
MWh.  The capital cost (based on the Sasol plant in Qatar) is around
$10/bbl.  So one cent power would make $30/bbl synthetic oil, 2 cents
would make $50/bbl etc.

Solves both the fossil fuel problems.

From: Bill Claybaugh <wclaybaugh2@xxxxxxxxxx>

(Keith)

How do you reduce base load?  Base load feeds streetlights, domestic
water pumping, sewer pumps, refrigerators and critical infrastructure.
Shut it off at night and some people will get up the next morning knee
deep in sewage.

With storage and interconnection:
I assume storage is obvious; connecting U-rope with the Arabian peninsula--where the 
Saudi's and Oman plan to use the oil to build vast solar plants--extends the effective 
"daylight" period. Ultimately, connecting the future Arab, European, and North 
American grids will provide more than sufficient supply for the small nighttime load.

The cost for sending power long distance is substantial, around a cent
per kWh per 1000 km.  Plus as others have pointed out, there is no way
to get it across an ocean.

Keith




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