Maybe it’s the persuasive talents of those wretched managers brought up and
baptised on the holy scriptures of those Dinospace Training Manuals :P
https://futurism.com/the-byte/jeff-bezos-copy-elon-musk
Troy
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Gradatim Ferociter.
...trying to figure out where ferociousness fits into the Blue picture. The
step by step part, fits, and as Henry pointed out, this is a useful step to
testy ground support equipment.
If you are still engineering with 20th century development tools.
If you were engineering with 21st century tools, you would know when you
designed the carriers erectors etc. that they would fit and manage the loads,
and there would not be much risk in using a real flight article for the first
real fitting. And you would be ready for first flight a decade sooner.... But
that would require flight ready engines which seem to be an issue for blue as
well. And a second stage in a similar state of readiness.
How do you say "at a snails pace" in Latin?
Per Escargoum?
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Subject: [AR] Re: new Glenn mockup
Pretty massively huge empty shell of the first stage only...
Progress, though!
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 02:53:41 +0000
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Pretty massively huge empty shell of the first stage only...
Progress, though!
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It's a moral booster not rocket,
Otherwise a waste of money,
Ken
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I haven't been following New Glenn closely - I've had distractions - but
it seems obvious to me that IF this "dummy version" was built using some of
the same manufacturing processes and tooling as the flight vehicle - I'd
guess so from the photo but don't know - it's a very useful workup for the
production team, a chance to practice and get up to speed on building the
main structures where minor mistakes are not critical and easily corrected.
And if as seems very likely it has been built to the same dimensions and
specs as the flight first stage (and presumably had mass added to
accurately simulate the missing bits, engines, tanks etc) then it's also a
very useful workout/debugger tool for the (necessarily substantial) ground
handling arrangements for the flight boosters, again with much less worry
about making and correcting minor mistakes.
IOW, they only have to learn to avoid ONE flight-booster destroying error
with this test piece for it to more than pay for itself. Not so?
Henry
On 11/10/2021 4:45 AM, roxanna Mason wrote:
It's a moral booster not rocket,
Otherwise a waste of money,
Ken
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wrote:
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Anthony J. Cesaroni
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Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x1004 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
I haven't been following New Glenn closely - I've had distractions - but
it seems obvious to me that IF this "dummy version" was built using some of
the same manufacturing processes and tooling as the flight vehicle - I'd
guess so from the photo but don't know - it's a very useful workup for the
production team, a chance to practice and get up to speed on building the
main structures where minor mistakes are not critical and easily corrected.
And if as seems very likely it has been built to the same dimensions and
specs as the flight first stage (and presumably had mass added to
accurately simulate the missing bits, engines, tanks etc) then it's also a
very useful workout/debugger tool for the (necessarily substantial) ground
handling arrangements for the flight boosters, again with much less worry
about making and correcting minor mistakes.
IOW, they only have to learn to avoid ONE flight-booster destroying error
with this test piece for it to more than pay for itself. Not so?
Henry
On 11/10/2021 4:45 AM, roxanna Mason wrote:
It's a moral booster not rocket,
Otherwise a waste of money,
Ken
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<mailto:anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx> >
wrote:
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Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x1004 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
Structural outer mold line pathfinders have been the norm since Saturn.
Important for testing pad fitment, transportation procedures, tooling,
etc. I don’t get why this is catching flack.
Best,
-Matt L.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:15 AM Henry Vanderbilt <
hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I haven't been following New Glenn closely - I've had distractions - but
it seems obvious to me that IF this "dummy version" was built using some of
the same manufacturing processes and tooling as the flight vehicle - I'd
guess so from the photo but don't know - it's a very useful workup for the
production team, a chance to practice and get up to speed on building the
main structures where minor mistakes are not critical and easily corrected.
And if as seems very likely it has been built to the same dimensions and
specs as the flight first stage (and presumably had mass added to
accurately simulate the missing bits, engines, tanks etc) then it's also a
very useful workout/debugger tool for the (necessarily substantial) ground
handling arrangements for the flight boosters, again with much less worry
about making and correcting minor mistakes.
IOW, they only have to learn to avoid ONE flight-booster destroying error
with this test piece for it to more than pay for itself. Not so?
Henry
On 11/10/2021 4:45 AM, roxanna Mason wrote:
It's a moral booster not rocket,
Otherwise a waste of money,
Ken
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:53 PM Anthony Cesaroni <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx> >
wrote:
https://www.geekwire.com/2021/blue-origin-practices-dummy-version-new-glenn-orbital-rocket-florida/
Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x1004 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto