Miriam,
And going along with what you say, is the problem that there are big
bunches of very smart people who have strong prejudices and spin very
believable webs. But as I read them, I stick to my basic question,
What is the basic issue?
What I gather from all the, "He says, She says" being tossed around is
that the American People have lost their Trust in their leaders...and
probably in their government as a whole. We are denied access to so
much information, because it would embarrass the current
administration, but at the same time we are trying to sort out facts
that are being deliberately distorted.
If we are going to survive, how do we turn the corner?
Carl Jarvis
On 5/9/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You know, people in presidential campaigns often talk with people from other
countries. Flynn was a lobbyist for Turkey at the time, but this is all
about Russia. There's smoke, but the smoke is Russiagate smoke produced by
the Democratic party. I listened to Aaron Mate talk about this on Loud and
Clear. I don't claim to understand all the complexities, but I do have a
sense that there's a whole lot of false innuendo mixed in with all of this.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:54 AM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020
The old saying, Where there's smoke there's fire, has been modernized.
"Where there's smoke, there are mirrors."
Carl Jarvis
On 5/9/20, Heather Cox Richardson from Letters from an American
<heathercoxrichardson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yesterday’s attempt by the Department of Justice to withdraw the case
against Trump's former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn after
he had already pled guilty has roiled the country with its assault on
the rule of law. Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI about five
phone calls between himself and the Russian ambassador, Sergey
Kislyak, on December 29, the same day the Obama administration
announced retaliatory measures for Russian interference in the 2016
election. Flynn told the officials that he and Kislyak did not talk
about lifting Russian sanctions after Trump was inaugurated, but news
quickly broke that they had. He resigned, pled guilty, and cooperated
with the investigation of Special Counsel Robert Mueller into Russian
interference in the 2016 election.
Flynn resigned on February 13, 2017, and the next day Trump summoned
FBI Director James Comey to the Oval Office and asked him to drop the
case against Flynn. Comey continued to investigate Russian connections
to the Trump campaign, and Trump fired him on May 9, 2017. The next
day he met in the Oval Office with Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey
V. Lavrov, and with Kislyak. He told the men that “I just fired the
head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job…. I faced great pressure
because of Russia. That’s taken off.” He added: “I’m not under
investigation.” American journalists were barred from the event, but
Russian journalists took photos. Comey’s firing led to the appointment
of Special Counsel Robert Mueller to investigate Russian interference
in the 2016 election, with Mueller essentially taking over where Comey
left off.
Today we learned that the DOJ move to dismiss the case against Flynn
came after a phone call yesterday between Trump and Russian President
Vladimir Putin in which they discussed the US investigation into
Russian interference in the 2016 election. While the White House
simply said that the two leaders had discussed the pandemic, arms
control, and the 75th anniversary of Victory in Europe day, Trump told
reporters: “I said, ‘You know, it’s a very appropriate time, because
things are falling out now and coming in line showing what a hoax this
whole investigation was, it was a total disgrace, and I wouldn’t be
surprised if you see a lot of things happen over the next number of
weeks…. This is just one piece of a very dishonest puzzle.”
First off, let’s be clear that the US intelligence community, Special
Counsel Robert Mueller, and the bipartisan Senate Intelligence
Committee, all have concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016
election to help Trump’s campaign. In January 2017, shortly before
Trump took office, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
released a report that aggregated the findings of the FBI the CIA, and
the NSA (National Security Agency, which operates under the authority
of the Director of National Intelligence).
It said: “Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential
election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding
desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these
activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level
of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations. We
assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign
in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to
undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate
Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.
We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear
preference for President-elect Trump.
We have high confidence in these judgments.”
Since this assessment, Trump has attacked FBI agents for launching an
illegal investigation and setting out to destroy him for political
reasons.
But the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, chaired by
Republican Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina, has consistently
supported the work of the intelligence community. On April 21, 2020,
it released the fourth of five volumes about Russian interference in
2016. This volume examined the “sources, tradecraft, and analytic work
behind the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) that
determined Russia conducted an unprecedented, multi-faceted campaign to
interfere with the 2016 U.S.
presidential election.” In other words, was the FBI out to get Trump,
or was it doing its business the way it should?
Like the previous ones, this volume agreed with the intelligence
community’s assessment that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election to
favor Trump.
It concluded that intelligence analysts were under “no political
pressure to reach specific conclusions.” Chairman Burr said “The ICA
reflects strong tradecraft, sound analytical reasoning, and proper
justification of disagreement in the one analytical line where it
occurred.” Additionally, Burr warned that Russian interference is
ongoing, and threatens the 2020 election.
The Mueller Report also established that Russia interfered in the 2016
presidential election. Russian operatives “carried out a social media
campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and
disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,” and they stole
emails from the Democratic National Committee, as well as Democratic
officials, and released the stolen documents.
But that’s not all from the Mueller Report. It “identified numerous
links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” The next
sentence is difficult, but it’s important to read the original, and
the one after it, because they are so very deliberately worded:
“Although the investigation established that the Russian government
perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to
secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian
efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump
Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its
election interference activities.” Then it added: “A statement that
the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there
was no evidence of those facts.”
Essentially, the Mueller Report says that the Russians wanted to help
Trump win, and the Trump campaign was willing to accept help, and that
there was evidence the two sides were working together, but Mueller
did not have enough evidence—in part because witnesses were lying or
withholding evidence—to make a criminal indictment.
Still, Trump has spent his whole presidency trying to convince
Americans that all of these independent career officials and elected
officials are persecuting him because they didn’t want him to be
elected (although, of course, if so, all their efforts were for
naught, because he IS president, and no one has seriously challenged
his election). In addition to attacking the intelligence community, he
has tried to advance the theory that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that
attacked the 2016 election-- a theory that in her testimony before the
House Intelligence Committee Russia expert Fiona Hill explained was
Russian propaganda.
And now, Trump’s loyalist in the Department of Justice, Attorney
General Barr, has thrown out the findings of his own Justice
Department inspector general, Michael Horowitz, who concluded in
December 2019 that the FBI investigation of Trump’s campaign was not
politically motivated, and that it was begun legitimately. The
argument for throwing out the Flynn case is that the FBI interview in
which Flynn lied did not have “a legitimate investigative basis,” and
therefore the statements were not material even if they were false.
This is directly counter to what the DOJ’s own inspector general
established.
Barr has appointed his own special inspector to look into the origins
of the Russia probe. He tapped Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham,
whose inquiry quietly shifted to become a criminal investigation last
October. Some observers are concerned that Durham will prosecute those
involved in the Russia investigation to give Trump political fodder
before the 2020 election. Trump’s comments to reporters today, along
with a tweet, were ominous. He tweeted: “Yesterday was a BIG day for
Justice in the USA….
Congratulations to General Flynn, and many others. I do believe there
is MUCH more to come! Dirty Cops and Crooked Politicians do not go
well together!"
It seems equally likely to me that Trump is simply undermining
opposition in the intelligence community so that he can move to lift
the sanctions Russia so badly wants gone. In any case, Russia looks to
be as big an issue in 2020 as it was four years ago.
—-
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