[blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020

  • From: <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:54:00 -0400

I think that it's important to know the backgrounds of the people whose 
opinions we read. That woman who's Amy Goodman's co host sometimes, has a 
professional history which causes her to influence the program's views on 
Syria, and certain other issues, in a particular manner. Some of the experts on 
NPR, former military men, are now working for large corporations that produce 
military equipment and planes. There are people who are on the board of the 
Atlantic Council, which has, among other members, NATO and some of the Arab 
dictatorships. All of these people are presented as objective experts, 
providing us with information. But they're not. They're providing us with the 
empire's propaganda. I hear people whose information is very helpful, but I 
suspect that they are representing China's interests. That may not invalidate 
what they say, but I need to be aware of what motivates them. 

Miriam

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:23 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020

Miriam,
Until her letters began showing up in my email I'd never heard her name.  To 
me, she presents interesting views, it's all part of the fodder I use to help 
make up my opinions.  But now that you bring it up I think I'll google her and 
see what comes up.
Carl Jarvis



On 5/9/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Carl,

What I am wondering, particularly because I subscribed to her 
newsletter after you forwarded a few, is who Heather Cox is.  She's 
repeating Democratic Party talking points. The national security 
community whom she refers to is, if I remember correctly, 7 or maybe 
it was 12 people from our various spy agencies who said that there was 
proof of the Russian government stealing those Clinton emails. But 
then there's a group of retired government experts like Thomas Drake 
who say that there's evidence that it wasn't the Russian government. 
One reads Mueller's words about the Russians and the Trump campaign, 
and those words can be interpreted however one chooses, depending on one's 
point of view.

Miriam

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:54 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020

Miriam,
And going along with what you say, is the problem that there are big 
bunches of very smart people who have strong prejudices and spin very 
believable webs.  But as I read them, I stick to my basic question, 
What is the basic issue?
What I gather from all the, "He says, She says" being tossed around is 
that the American People have lost their Trust in their leaders...and 
probably in their government as a whole.  We are denied access to so 
much information, because it would embarrass the current 
administration, but at the same time we are trying to sort out facts that are 
being deliberately distorted.
If we are going to survive, how do we turn the corner?
 Carl Jarvis



On 5/9/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You know, people in presidential campaigns often talk with people 
from other countries. Flynn was a lobbyist for Turkey at the time, 
but this is all about Russia. There's smoke, but the smoke is 
Russiagate smoke produced by the Democratic party. I listened to 
Aaron Mate talk about this on Loud and Clear. I don't claim to 
understand all the complexities, but I do have a sense that there's a 
whole lot of false innuendo mixed in with all of this.

Miriam

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:54 AM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020

The old saying, Where there's smoke there's fire, has been modernized.
"Where there's smoke, there are mirrors."

Carl Jarvis
On 5/9/20, Heather Cox Richardson from Letters from an American 
<heathercoxrichardson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yesterday’s attempt by the Department of Justice to withdraw the 
case against Trump's former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn 
after he had already pled guilty has roiled the country with its 
assault on the rule of law. Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI 
about five phone calls between himself and the Russian ambassador, 
Sergey Kislyak, on December 29, the same day the Obama 
administration announced retaliatory measures for Russian 
interference in the 2016 election. Flynn told the officials that he 
and Kislyak did not talk about lifting Russian sanctions after Trump 
was inaugurated, but news quickly broke that they had. He resigned, 
pled guilty, and cooperated with the investigation of Special 
Counsel Robert Mueller into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Flynn resigned on February 13, 2017, and the next day Trump summoned 
FBI Director James Comey to the Oval Office and asked him to drop 
the case against Flynn. Comey continued to investigate Russian 
connections to the Trump campaign, and Trump fired him on May 9, 
2017. The next day he met in the Oval Office with Russia’s foreign 
minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, and with Kislyak. He told the men that 
“I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job…. I 
faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.” He added:
“I’m not under investigation.” American journalists were barred from 
the event, but Russian journalists took photos. Comey’s firing led 
to the appointment of Special Counsel Robert Mueller to investigate 
Russian interference in the 2016 election, with Mueller essentially 
taking over where Comey left off.
Today we learned that the DOJ move to dismiss the case against Flynn 
came after a phone call yesterday between Trump and Russian 
President Vladimir Putin in which they discussed the US 
investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. While 
the White House simply said that the two leaders had discussed the 
pandemic, arms control, and the 75th anniversary of Victory in 
Europe day, Trump told
reporters: “I said, ‘You know, it’s a very appropriate time, because 
things are falling out now and coming in line showing what a hoax 
this whole investigation was, it was a total disgrace, and I 
wouldn’t be surprised if you see a lot of things happen over the 
next number of weeks…. This is just one piece of a very dishonest puzzle.”
First off, let’s be clear that the US intelligence community, 
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and the bipartisan Senate 
Intelligence Committee, all have concluded that Russia interfered in 
the 2016 election to help Trump’s campaign. In January 2017, shortly 
before Trump took office, Director of National Intelligence James 
Clapper released a report that aggregated the findings of the FBI 
the CIA, and the NSA (National Security Agency, which operates under 
the authority of the Director of National Intelligence).
It said: “Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential 
election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s 
longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic 
order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in 
directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to 
previous operations. We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin 
ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential 
election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US 
democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her 
electability and potential presidency.
We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear 
preference for President-elect Trump.
We have high confidence in these judgments.”
Since this assessment, Trump has attacked FBI agents for  launching 
an illegal investigation and setting out to destroy him for 
political reasons.
But the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, chaired by 
Republican Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina, has consistently 
supported the work of the intelligence community. On April 21, 2020, 
it released the fourth of five volumes about Russian interference in 
2016. This volume examined the “sources, tradecraft, and analytic 
work behind the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) that 
determined Russia conducted an unprecedented, multi-faceted campaign 
to interfere with the 2016 U.S.
presidential election.” In other words, was the FBI out to get 
Trump, or was it doing its business the way it should?
Like the previous ones, this volume agreed with the intelligence 
community’s assessment that Russia had interfered in the 2016 
election to favor Trump.
It concluded that intelligence analysts were under “no political 
pressure to reach specific conclusions.” Chairman Burr said “The ICA 
reflects strong tradecraft, sound analytical reasoning, and proper 
justification of disagreement in the one analytical line where it 
occurred.” Additionally, Burr warned that Russian interference is 
ongoing, and threatens the 2020 election.
The Mueller Report also established that Russia interfered in the
2016 presidential election. Russian operatives “carried out a social 
media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump 
and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,” and they 
stole emails from the Democratic National Committee, as well as 
Democratic officials, and released the stolen documents.
But that’s not all from the Mueller Report. It “identified numerous 
links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” The 
next sentence is difficult, but it’s important to read the original, 
and the one after it, because they are so very deliberately worded:
“Although the investigation established that the Russian government 
perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to 
secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit 
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian 
efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the 
Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government 
in its election interference activities.” Then it added: “A 
statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts 
does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.”
Essentially, the Mueller Report says that the Russians wanted to 
help Trump win, and the Trump campaign was willing to accept help, 
and that there was evidence the two sides were working together, but 
Mueller did not have enough evidence—in part because witnesses were 
lying or withholding evidence—to make a criminal indictment.
Still, Trump has spent his whole presidency trying to convince 
Americans that all of these independent career officials and elected 
officials are persecuting him because they didn’t want him to be 
elected (although, of course, if so, all their efforts were for 
naught, because he IS president, and no one has seriously challenged 
his election). In addition to attacking the intelligence community, 
he has tried to advance the theory that it was Ukraine, not Russia, 
that attacked the 2016 election-- a theory that in her testimony 
before the House Intelligence Committee Russia expert Fiona Hill 
explained was Russian propaganda.
And now, Trump’s loyalist in the Department of Justice, Attorney 
General Barr, has thrown out the findings of his own Justice 
Department inspector general, Michael Horowitz, who concluded in 
December 2019 that the FBI investigation of Trump’s campaign was not 
politically motivated, and that it was begun legitimately. The 
argument for throwing out the Flynn case is that the FBI interview 
in which Flynn lied did not have “a legitimate investigative basis,” 
and therefore the statements were not material even if they were false.
This is directly counter to what the DOJ’s own inspector general 
established.
Barr has appointed his own special inspector to look into the 
origins of the Russia probe. He tapped Connecticut U.S. Attorney 
John Durham, whose inquiry quietly shifted to become a criminal 
investigation last October. Some observers are concerned that Durham 
will prosecute those involved in the Russia investigation to give 
Trump political fodder before the 2020 election. Trump’s comments to 
reporters today, along with a tweet, were ominous. He tweeted: 
“Yesterday was a BIG day for Justice in the USA….
Congratulations to General Flynn, and many others. I do believe 
there is MUCH more to come! Dirty Cops and Crooked Politicians do 
not go well together!"
It seems equally likely to me that Trump is simply undermining 
opposition in the intelligence community so that he can move to lift 
the sanctions Russia so badly wants gone. In any case, Russia looks 
to be as big an issue in 2020 as it was four years ago.
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