I refuse to be on the same list as anyone who irons his shirts. The iron is an
instrument of torture.
Abby
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:25 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: My response
Okay, it seems that I have got to respond here. It is foolish though, to
respond to each and every assault. I use the name Bob Evans to communicate with
foreigners. Why? Because I have been repeatedly dissed by rattish individuals.
Because I genuinely honour my name, I decided to alternatively rely on this
pseudonym for reputing intent.
When acters use anonyms, do we call them fibbers? I use this to communicate
with people I don’t personally know. In the virtual world, we could be easily
tricked in various ways. So why Bob Evans in specific? Well, I randomly chose
this pseudonym when I worked briefly at a call centre that has its client
based in the States. For whatever reason, they required us to opt anonyms. I
worked as a billing specialist for Medicare. We delt with senior citizens who
were eligible for Medicare and they were interested in Medicare products such a
back brace, a knee brace and things of that nature. I talked to people from
different backgrounds and consequently, delt with people who had ranging
levels of courtesy as well as discourtesy. I talked to the type of Carl and the
type of Joe. As for the satiric statement which Mister Roger has made, I took
our attempt to have a valuable discussion to a reasonable conclusion. If we
couldn’t agree on whether a deity exists or not, well, death is the only way to
find out. Why should I waste my time and energy uselessly debating nonobservant
people? As for Mister Joe and his obsession with uttering insolence, I may give
you this piece of advice sir. I know you will probably diss as usual, but I am
treating you the way I like to be treated. Despite our major dissension on
philosophical matters, I urge you not to seek refuge with consuming much
salacity. Your verbal assaults against me are unmentionable. However, they
never harm my reputation. They barely harm my ears because as soon as Eloquence
starts reading your dissing rhetoric, I keep it silent instantly. If your
manner is just the way it is, then I politely ask you to refrain from reading
any of my future posts. I won’t cope with this offensive rhetoric anymore. If
you dissed me once again, I am afraid that I will have to sue your account for
suspension because the list moderator, mister Roger, has previously ignored me
asking him to deal with this. I have no problem if someone fundamentally
disagrees with me. We may discuss, debate or even express stridence. I only ask
people to maintain a sufficient level of politesse. It is not difficult to do
that. I myself decided to permanently suspend posting religious and political
subjects to the list. They turned out to provoke offence and a vicious cycle of
insignificant arguments. I will rather talk about my daily pursuits.
It was six in the morning when this sentence was being composed. I prayed in
our local Masjid and gave a brief talk afterward. I then jogged a bit. I then
had my breakfast which was comprised of sugarless greentea, toast with chese
and cereal. I am now ironing my blue shirt which I will wear for work in a bit.
Fortunately, it doesn’t take me long to get to work, ten minutes maximum. I now
work at an educational place for children who have blindness and additional
challenges as of physical and intellectual impairment. I am the Braille
instructor and in addition, I teach assistive technology, Arabic and religion.
The place is called Hope City for special education development and Speech
pathology consultancy. I just completed one year at Hope City. I am so happy
working there. We build the life of these children and hopefully, give some
hope to their hopeless families. It is an encouraging environment with cheering
ambition and positive inclusion.
It is really so beautiful to take part in improving someone’s life.
This year is just a beginning and there is still much to learn.
Alright I am nearly done with this. I am sorry if it is a bit lengthy but I
destined to be thorough to cover all aspects. I hope you are keeping really
well. I will be away for couple of days because my daily schedule is fully
occupied, errands, seeing friends and so on.
Thanks and best regards, Bob
On 8/15/17, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is a bit more than that. A troll is not just one who tries to evoke
an emotional response. It is one who tries to evoke an emotional
response with the intent to disrupt. Whether Mustafa intends to
disrupt or not he is effectively a troll. As for this list, Joe was
recently saying something about his having been on the list from its
inception and what it had been set up for at that time. By the time I
subscribed that original purpose had long since been abandoned and it
was more of a say anything list that was limited only by the
proclivities of its participants. Clearly the proclivities of the
participants made it mainly a political discussion group. When the
hosting web site fell apart after the death of its maintainer I set up
this replacement with a description that more closely matched what it
had become. That is, I said in the description that one could say
anything, but that the most frequent topic of discussion is politics.
Well, if one can say anything I suppose that means that trolls are
allowed. Bombarding the list with messages that upset people and are
not of interest to most participants makes one a troll. His most
trollish behavior, though, does not necessarily relate directly to
this list. Mustafa has long been not just a troll, but a trawler too.
That is, he subscribes to lists collecting email addresses where he
can and putting them on his personal mailing list and then bombards
those people with unwelcome messages. It is a form of spamming. I cannot
blame people for getting upset about that.
Then when they ask to be removed he refuses to remove them. That
rather upsets people too. That is, he holds people hostage while trolling
them.
None of that behavior applies to anyone on this list other than Mustafa.
On 8/14/2017 9:18 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, from my understanding, in the context of the internet, a troll
is someone that speaks with the intent of eliciting an emotional response.
Given the topics we discuss here we all fit that bill.
Frank
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger ;
Loran Bailey
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:38 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sunday
I think it is hard, though, to argue that in Internet parlance that
Mustafa is not a troll.
On 8/14/2017 10:29 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Joe,
In my opinion you are far too hard on Mostafa(Bob). First, he is
one of millions who believe as he does, that our lives are directed
by some invisible Great Creator. Second, even if he were an
infiltrator, he would have to shoulder his way through a huge crowd
of local misguided Zombies.
Finally, I place the root of the misguided belief on the heads of
those using God/Allah to keep the Masses under their tight control.
We might not go to nuclear war for Donald Trump, but for God Almighty?
You bet! It's hard to believe that we are now looking at two
major camps, one with an invisible God at the fore, and the other
with an invisible Allah waving the banner. Really? Are we willing
to die supporting some invisible Being, especially since Believers
proclaim that their invisible Being can smite us all dead with one
wave of His invisible hand.
The bad news, among all the bad news, is that all of us, every
single Human Being has been damaged by all of this gobbledygook.
There may be a sane person among us, but who could be the one to know?
Carl Jarvis
On 8/14/17, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok, before I go let me say this, "Allah and for that matter, god is
a Disney ride put forward by clowns who drank from a secret tea cup
full of LSD or similar drugs".
Allah, and Jesus and all of those bogus entities are fairy tales
put forth to make bullshit artists like Mustafa who isn't even half
lucid, but who is clearly a troll and likely an agent provocateur
in to our midst.
Allah, and Jesus and other entities divined are used to keep us all
down.
They don't wish for us to eat from the tree of knowledge or even
humanly divined, so-to-speak, logic. They want us to be sheep for
the slaughter..
They want us to "believe" in their deities so they can control us.
It is all about control over bodies and minds and projections of
that control when we scramble to figure the bull shit out.
My mother whom I carried to the bathroom and whom I took care of
until and up to her last breath is dead. Her memory is all that exists.
She is dead and buried in the ground. She by the way was a "true
believer".
I'm sorry but I cannot express the contempt I feel right now for
the likes of the infamous Mustafa/Bob.
For he is again a troll, a sock puppet and a mean person. And
bullies need to be confronted and truth needs to be told.
And I need to be off this freaking list for my own sanity and to
get away from creeps like Mustafa as sick asthese types are.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for
DMARC)
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Bob
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sunday
Okay, I'll give you a rational answer. The problem with allah
doing what you point to is that allah is not omnipotent. Allah is
only a fairy tale character. What makes this rational is that to
believe in the reality of fairy tale characters is irrational. Now,
speaking of rationality and logic, I have been meaning to respond
to an earlier message from you. At the time I had concentrated on
another part of your message and did not get around to this part of
it. You said that the existence of a deity is logical because
everything that exists must have a creator. Let's stop a moment to
look at what logic is. Logic is an information processing algorithm.
One takes two or more pieces of information and process them with
logic and one gets another piece of information that had not been
there before. With that in mind let's look at the syllogism you
were implying. Everything that exists must have a creator. The
universe exists. Therefor the universe has a creator. That is the
simplest of syllogisms in formal logic. It is flawlessly logical.
However, the logical algorithm works just as well with false
information as it does with correct information. I strongly suspect
that your first premise is false information. That is the premise
that everything that exists must have a creator. How do you know
that is true? I suppose that you might come up with another
syllogism to arrive at that premise, but then I would have to
question the premises in the second syllogism. Ultimately, no
matter how logical your argument it is necessary to provide some
evidence for the premises. So how do you know that everything that
exists must have a creator. Please provide an answer that has
something to do with it being true. If you cannot come up with a
reason to believe it then your claim has as much validity as the claim
that a paisley unicorn is orbiting Jupiter in a tea cup.
On 8/13/2017 12:58 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello, on each Sunday morning, fellow Congregationalists
gather to worship. In the Koran, there is a chapter called chapter of Mary.
It is numbered the nineteenth in a typical Koranic index. At its
inception, allah mentions when prophet Zechariah peace be upon him
desperately implored to his Lord in seclusion. He said, my Lord, my
bones have become feeble and my head has flamed with grey hair, and
my Lord, I have been never disappointed with my prayer to you.
And, I have been frightened with the dependants after me and my
spouse has been barren, so grant me with you a grace an heir.
Shall he inherit me and inherit from the house of Jacob, and make
him my Lord pleasing. Oh Zechariah, we give you the glad tidings of
a boy named John, a name We have never been given before. He said,
my Lord, how can I have a son, when my spouse is barren, and I have
become decrepit with old age. He said, It will be so, your Lord
says, it is easy for me, and I created you before, when you were
nothing. He said, my Lord, give me a sign, he said, your sign that
you shall not speak to people for three nights consecutively. And
he came out to his people from the sanctuary and signaled to them,
glorify in the morning and evening. Oh John, hold the scripture
firmly and We gave him wisdom in his youth. And tenderness from Us,
and innocence. He was devout. And he was dutiful to his parents,
and he was not disobedient, tyrant. And peace be upon him the day
he was born, the day he dies and the day he is raised alive. And
mention in the Scripture Mary, when she withdrew from her people to
an eastern place. She screened herself away from them, and We sent
to her Our spirit, and He appeared to her as an immaculate human.
She said, I take refuge from you to the Most Merciful, should you be
righteous.
He said, I am only the messenger of your Lord, to give you the gift
of a pure son. She said, how can I have a son when no man has
touched me and I was never unchaste. He said, thus said your Lord,
It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a mercy
from Us.
The matter was predetermined. So she carried him, and secluded
herself with him in a remote place. Labor pains came upon her by
the trunk of a palmtree. She said, I wish I had died before this
and been completely forgotten. Whereupon he called her from beneath
her, shall not you grieve, your Lord has placed a stream beneath
you. And shake the trunk of the palmtree towards you and it will
drop on you edible dates. So eat, drink and be consoled. If you
see any human, say, I have vowed a fast to the Most Gracious, so I
will not speak to any human today. Then she came to her people
carrying him, they said, oh Mary, you truly have done something
terrible. Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not wicked nor your
mother was unchaste. So she pointed to him, they said, how can we speak to
an infant in the crib.
He said, I indeed am the servant of Allah, He has given me the
scripture and made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wherever I
may be, and has enjoined on me prayer and charity, so long as I live.
And deutiful to my mother, and hasn’t made me disobedient, rebel.
So Peace is upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the
Day I get resurrected alive. This is indeed Jesus son of Mary, the
sentiment of truth upon which they tend to dispute. Truly, Allah is
my and your Lord, so worship Him. This is basically the straight path.
The Koran then says, and factions have dissented from among them,
so woe to those who disbelieved from the scene of a great day.
Each and every denomination has its rendition of who Jesus was.
However, Islam presents to the sincere seeker a plain portrait of
his genuine account. I am not destined to relentlessly argue. Each
and every individual is perfectly autonomous. I am not urging the
provoke of a uselessly theological debate. I am just presenting,
without stereotypic notion, the Islamic version of the Nativity
tale. There are major factors to consider.
First, the Islamic story demonstrates in clear terms, Allah’s
illimitable measurelessly Omnipotence. Second, it enormously
honours both Zechariah and John whom Christians call the Baptist as
equally, notable prophets. Third, it plainly honours Mary and it
righteously recognises her unparalleled celibacy. Fourth, it
recognises the Nativity tale while scrupulously maintaining plain
monotheism, exalting the divine from bearing a son. Fifth and
ultimately, it emphatically exonerates virtuous Mary from the
intolerable allegation Jews wrongfully impeached her with. I urge
the recipient of this post to carefully ponder, I do not urge you
to hasten. I am a caller to Islam. I at the end, want to ask you one
simple question.
This question demands a clear and a straightforward answer. If
Allah is providentially Omnipotent, what is the problem with Him
procreating offspring from a decrepitly aged man and a barren woman?
Similarly, if Allah’s Omnipotence is measureless, what is the
problem with Him procreating offspring from a virgin, and without
any masculine intervention? I believe that this question is
rationally valid and it therefore demands a logical answer. I
again, do not hasten anyone to instantly respond. I just am urging
you to think properly. Here is Bob greeting you, peace, blessings
and much respect from me.
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