Yes and we'll be here all week; two shows daily.
Frank
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: My response
Roger, Frank
and Abby, you are absolutely Ludicrous.
On 8/15/17, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You wear shirts? You infidel! Stop the insanity now.
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Abby ;
Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:30 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: My response
I refuse to be on the same list as anyone who irons his shirts. The
iron is an instrument of torture.
Abby
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:25 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: My response
Okay, it seems that I have got to respond here. It is foolish though,
to respond to each and every assault. I use the name Bob Evans to
communicate with foreigners. Why? Because I have been repeatedly
dissed by rattish individuals. Because I genuinely honour my name, I
decided to alternatively rely on this pseudonym for reputing intent.
When acters use anonyms, do we call them fibbers? I use this to
communicate with people I don’t personally know. In the virtual world,
we could be easily tricked in various ways. So why Bob Evans in
specific? Well, I randomly chose this pseudonym when I worked briefly
at a call centre that has its client based in the States. For whatever
reason, they required us to opt anonyms. I worked as a billing
specialist for Medicare. We delt with senior citizens who were
eligible for Medicare and they were interested in Medicare products such a
back brace, a knee brace and things of that nature.
I talked to people from different backgrounds and consequently, delt
with people who had ranging levels of courtesy as well as discourtesy.
I talked to the type of Carl and the type of Joe. As for the satiric
statement which Mister Roger has made, I took our attempt to have a
valuable discussion to a reasonable conclusion. If we couldn’t agree
on whether a deity exists or not, well, death is the only way to find
out. Why should I waste my time and energy uselessly debating
nonobservant people? As for Mister Joe and his obsession with uttering
insolence, I may give you this piece of advice sir.
I know you will probably diss as usual, but I am treating you the way
I like to be treated. Despite our major dissension on philosophical
matters, I urge you not to seek refuge with consuming much salacity.
Your verbal assaults against me are unmentionable. However, they never
harm my reputation. They barely harm my ears because as soon as
Eloquence starts reading your dissing rhetoric, I keep it silent
instantly. If your manner is just the way it is, then I politely ask
you to refrain from reading any of my future posts. I won’t cope with
this offensive rhetoric anymore. If you dissed me once again, I am
afraid that I will have to sue your account for suspension because the
list moderator, mister Roger, has previously ignored me asking him to
deal with this. I have no problem if someone fundamentally disagrees
with me. We may discuss, debate or even express stridence. I only ask people
to maintain a sufficient level of politesse. It is not difficult to do that.
I myself decided to permanently suspend posting religious and
political subjects to the list. They turned out to provoke offence and
a vicious cycle of insignificant arguments. I will rather talk about my daily
pursuits.
It was six in the morning when this sentence was being composed. I
prayed in our local Masjid and gave a brief talk afterward. I then
jogged a bit. I then had my breakfast which was comprised of sugarless
greentea, toast with chese and cereal. I am now ironing my blue shirt
which I will wear for work in a bit. Fortunately, it doesn’t take me
long to get to work, ten minutes maximum. I now work at an educational
place for children who have blindness and additional challenges as of
physical and intellectual impairment. I am the Braille instructor and
in addition, I teach assistive technology, Arabic and religion. The
place is called Hope City for special education development and Speech
pathology consultancy. I just completed one year at Hope City. I am so
happy working there. We build the life of these children and
hopefully, give some hope to their hopeless families. It is an encouraging
environment with cheering ambition and positive inclusion.
It is really so beautiful to take part in improving someone’s life.
This year is just a beginning and there is still much to learn.
Alright I am nearly done with this. I am sorry if it is a bit lengthy
but I destined to be thorough to cover all aspects. I hope you are
keeping really well. I will be away for couple of days because my
daily schedule is fully occupied, errands, seeing friends and so on.
Thanks and best regards, Bob
On 8/15/17, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is a bit more than that. A troll is not just one who tries to
evoke an emotional response. It is one who tries to evoke an
emotional response with the intent to disrupt. Whether Mustafa
intends to disrupt or not he is effectively a troll. As for this
list, Joe was recently saying something about his having been on the
list from its inception and what it had been set up for at that time.
By the time I subscribed that original purpose had long since been
abandoned and it was more of a say anything list that was limited
only by the proclivities of its participants. Clearly the
proclivities of the participants made it mainly a political
discussion group. When the hosting web site fell apart after the
death of its maintainer I set up this replacement with a description
that more closely matched what it had become. That is, I said in the
description that one could say anything, but that the most frequent topic of
discussion is politics.
Well, if one can say anything I suppose that means that trolls are
allowed. Bombarding the list with messages that upset people and are
not of interest to most participants makes one a troll. His most
trollish behavior, though, does not necessarily relate directly to
this list. Mustafa has long been not just a troll, but a trawler too.
That is, he subscribes to lists collecting email addresses where he
can and putting them on his personal mailing list and then bombards
those people with unwelcome messages. It is a form of spamming. I
cannot blame people for getting upset about that.
Then when they ask to be removed he refuses to remove them. That
rather upsets people too. That is, he holds people hostage while
trolling them.
None of that behavior applies to anyone on this list other than Mustafa.
On 8/14/2017 9:18 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, from my understanding, in the context of the internet, a
troll is someone that speaks with the intent of eliciting an
emotional response.
Given the topics we discuss here we all fit that bill.
Frank
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger ;
Loran Bailey
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:38 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sunday
I think it is hard, though, to argue that in Internet parlance that
Mustafa is not a troll.
On 8/14/2017 10:29 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Joe,
In my opinion you are far too hard on Mostafa(Bob). First, he is
one of millions who believe as he does, that our lives are directed
by some invisible Great Creator. Second, even if he were an
infiltrator, he would have to shoulder his way through a huge crowd
of local misguided Zombies.
Finally, I place the root of the misguided belief on the heads of
those using God/Allah to keep the Masses under their tight control.
We might not go to nuclear war for Donald Trump, but for God Almighty?
You bet! It's hard to believe that we are now looking at two
major camps, one with an invisible God at the fore, and the other
with an invisible Allah waving the banner. Really? Are we willing
to die supporting some invisible Being, especially since Believers
proclaim that their invisible Being can smite us all dead with one
wave of His invisible hand.
The bad news, among all the bad news, is that all of us, every
single Human Being has been damaged by all of this gobbledygook.
There may be a sane person among us, but who could be the one to know?
Carl Jarvis
On 8/14/17, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok, before I go let me say this, "Allah and for that matter, god
is a Disney ride put forward by clowns who drank from a secret tea
cup full of LSD or similar drugs".
Allah, and Jesus and all of those bogus entities are fairy tales
put forth to make bullshit artists like Mustafa who isn't even
half lucid, but who is clearly a troll and likely an agent
provocateur in to our midst.
Allah, and Jesus and other entities divined are used to keep us
all down.
They don't wish for us to eat from the tree of knowledge or even
humanly divined, so-to-speak, logic. They want us to be sheep for
the slaughter..
They want us to "believe" in their deities so they can control us.
It is all about control over bodies and minds and projections of
that control when we scramble to figure the bull shit out.
My mother whom I carried to the bathroom and whom I took care of
until and up to her last breath is dead. Her memory is all that
exists.
She is dead and buried in the ground. She by the way was a "true
believer".
I'm sorry but I cannot express the contempt I feel right now for
the likes of the infamous Mustafa/Bob.
For he is again a troll, a sock puppet and a mean person. And
bullies need to be confronted and truth needs to be told.
And I need to be off this freaking list for my own sanity and to
get away from creeps like Mustafa as sick asthese types are.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for
DMARC)
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Bob
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sunday
Okay, I'll give you a rational answer. The problem with allah
doing what you point to is that allah is not omnipotent. Allah is
only a fairy tale character. What makes this rational is that to
believe in the reality of fairy tale characters is irrational.
Now, speaking of rationality and logic, I have been meaning to
respond to an earlier message from you. At the time I had
concentrated on another part of your message and did not get
around to this part of it. You said that the existence of a deity
is logical because everything that exists must have a creator.
Let's stop a moment to look at what logic is. Logic is an information
processing algorithm.
One takes two or more pieces of information and process them with
logic and one gets another piece of information that had not been
there before. With that in mind let's look at the syllogism you
were implying. Everything that exists must have a creator. The
universe exists. Therefor the universe has a creator. That is the
simplest of syllogisms in formal logic. It is flawlessly logical.
However, the logical algorithm works just as well with false
information as it does with correct information. I strongly
suspect that your first premise is false information. That is the
premise that everything that exists must have a creator. How do
you know that is true? I suppose that you might come up with
another syllogism to arrive at that premise, but then I would have
to question the premises in the second syllogism. Ultimately, no
matter how logical your argument it is necessary to provide some
evidence for the premises. So how do you know that everything that
exists must have a creator. Please provide an answer that has
something to do with it being true. If you cannot come up with a
reason to believe it then your claim has as much validity as the
claim that a paisley unicorn is orbiting Jupiter in a tea cup.
On 8/13/2017 12:58 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello, on each Sunday morning, fellow Congregationalists
gather to worship. In the Koran, there is a chapter called chapter
of Mary.
It is numbered the nineteenth in a typical Koranic index. At its
inception, allah mentions when prophet Zechariah peace be upon him
desperately implored to his Lord in seclusion. He said, my Lord,
my bones have become feeble and my head has flamed with grey hair,
and my Lord, I have been never disappointed with my prayer to you.
And, I have been frightened with the dependants after me and my
spouse has been barren, so grant me with you a grace an heir.
Shall he inherit me and inherit from the house of Jacob, and make
him my Lord pleasing. Oh Zechariah, we give you the glad tidings
of a boy named John, a name We have never been given before. He
said, my Lord, how can I have a son, when my spouse is barren, and
I have become decrepit with old age. He said, It will be so, your
Lord says, it is easy for me, and I created you before, when you
were nothing. He said, my Lord, give me a sign, he said, your sign
that you shall not speak to people for three nights consecutively.
And he came out to his people from the sanctuary and signaled to
them, glorify in the morning and evening. Oh John, hold the
scripture firmly and We gave him wisdom in his youth. And
tenderness from Us, and innocence. He was devout. And he was
dutiful to his parents, and he was not disobedient, tyrant. And
peace be upon him the day he was born, the day he dies and the day
he is raised alive. And mention in the Scripture Mary, when she
withdrew from her people to an eastern place. She screened herself
away from them, and We sent to her Our spirit, and He appeared to her as
an immaculate human.
She said, I take refuge from you to the Most Merciful, should you
be righteous.
He said, I am only the messenger of your Lord, to give you the
gift of a pure son. She said, how can I have a son when no man has
touched me and I was never unchaste. He said, thus said your Lord,
It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a
mercy from Us.
The matter was predetermined. So she carried him, and secluded
herself with him in a remote place. Labor pains came upon her by
the trunk of a palmtree. She said, I wish I had died before this
and been completely forgotten. Whereupon he called her from
beneath her, shall not you grieve, your Lord has placed a stream
beneath you. And shake the trunk of the palmtree towards you and
it will drop on you edible dates. So eat, drink and be consoled.
If you see any human, say, I have vowed a fast to the Most
Gracious, so I will not speak to any human today. Then she came to
her people carrying him, they said, oh Mary, you truly have done
something terrible. Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not wicked
nor your mother was unchaste. So she pointed to him, they said,
how can we speak to an infant in the crib.
He said, I indeed am the servant of Allah, He has given me the
scripture and made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wherever
I may be, and has enjoined on me prayer and charity, so long as I live.
And deutiful to my mother, and hasn’t made me disobedient, rebel.
So Peace is upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the
Day I get resurrected alive. This is indeed Jesus son of Mary, the
sentiment of truth upon which they tend to dispute. Truly, Allah
is my and your Lord, so worship Him. This is basically the straight path.
The Koran then says, and factions have dissented from among them,
so woe to those who disbelieved from the scene of a great day.
Each and every denomination has its rendition of who Jesus was.
However, Islam presents to the sincere seeker a plain portrait of
his genuine account. I am not destined to relentlessly argue. Each
and every individual is perfectly autonomous. I am not urging the
provoke of a uselessly theological debate. I am just presenting,
without stereotypic notion, the Islamic version of the Nativity
tale. There are major factors to consider.
First, the Islamic story demonstrates in clear terms, Allah’s
illimitable measurelessly Omnipotence. Second, it enormously
honours both Zechariah and John whom Christians call the Baptist
as equally, notable prophets. Third, it plainly honours Mary and
it righteously recognises her unparalleled celibacy. Fourth, it
recognises the Nativity tale while scrupulously maintaining plain
monotheism, exalting the divine from bearing a son. Fifth and
ultimately, it emphatically exonerates virtuous Mary from the
intolerable allegation Jews wrongfully impeached her with. I urge
the recipient of this post to carefully ponder, I do not urge you
to hasten. I am a caller to Islam. I at the end, want to ask you
one simple question.
This question demands a clear and a straightforward answer. If
Allah is providentially Omnipotent, what is the problem with Him
procreating offspring from a decrepitly aged man and a barren woman?
Similarly, if Allah’s Omnipotence is measureless, what is the
problem with Him procreating offspring from a virgin, and without
any masculine intervention? I believe that this question is
rationally valid and it therefore demands a logical answer. I
again, do not hasten anyone to instantly respond. I just am urging
you to think properly. Here is Bob greeting you, peace, blessings
and much respect from me.
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