Carl,
Of course, in this case, you can blame this particular bit of bigotry on our
system. But unfortunately, human beings do seem to have a history of religious
bigotry, whether they live in contemporary America or in Africa, Europe, or
Asia. It has to do with being in a group and seeing those outside of one's
group as the enemy.
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 7:48 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Texas Church mass shooting
Well Bob Evans, the world is full of folks like Mary. They have been pumped
full of misinformation, amply laced with Fear, and charmed by the "golden
tongues of con artists like Donald J. Trump.
To me, the ultimate goal of the Ruling Class was to create the American worker
into the image of a character on radio and TV during the 1940's to the early
1960's. The Program was a 30 minute Sit Com featuring William Bendix as
Chester A. Riley. Riley worked in a factory and was married with a son and a
daughter. His wife, Peg, was at least five times brighter than he. Even his
two young children could outwit him. Riley was just a lumbering, plodding
family man, proud to be an American, and never questioning why he kept getting
the short end of the stick, to which he would groan, "What a revolting
development this is!"
But to me, the statement that stood out above all others was his dogged
comment, "Don't confuse me with facts. My head is made up."
And this Comic Character sums up where the American Ruling Class sees the
average American Worker. And that is also the image being adopted by far too
many working class Americans.
Carl Jarvis
On 12/27/17, Bob Evans <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I just countered this old post.
Someone called Mary said and I quote:
"You must obey or off with your head, literally. Muslim populations
are rising in each European nation, they already have conclaves of
domination in them, and they intend to get rid of Christian, Jews,
Buddists, and all other beliefs than their own. It is the definition
of jihad."
Mary, where did you get this absurd definition of Jihad from?
I deeply laugh at some people's ignorance, prejudice, their obsession
to live in terror to justify their transgression on foreign nations.
Where did you study Islamic jural?
Before you send something, check your spelling first.
I won't hide nor deny my belief in Jihad though.
But, not the one your government maintains to portray, like the made
up fib of Da'ish and so forth.
Jihad is a combat mission to subdue aggression and establish
incomparable justice.
There is a documentary I urge you to watch.
It is called Jihad on terrorism, produced by bridges foundation.
It is a global organisation dedicated to raise awareness about genuine
moderate Islam across the the world.
Here is their website:
http://www.bridges-foundation.org
Here is the Youtube version of Jihad on terrorism:
It's a long documentary, made to those who sincerely seek for knowing
the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQsa0x86wE
Yes, we are enjoined to subdue oppressors like the chief of your
nation, Israeli invaders and anyone who sustains aggression or foreign
occupation.
In addition to people like you, you're not to be fought with sowrd,
but rather, word for word.
We do not need to kill you to get rid of you.
It's just enough to kill who pulls the trigger to terrorise his
protagonists.
We do not need conclaves. Everything we say and do is publicly shown.
People like you are now exposed and broadly trolled.
Trumpism has a blast but it won't last.
On 11/7/17, MARY CONVY <CCRUSER@xxxxxxx> wrote:
No Miriam, We do not go in and demand any country conform to our laws.
But
to to Brussels, or Paris and live in a Shiria district where Muslim
law rules.` You must obey or off with your head, literally. Muslim
populations are rising in each European nation, they already have
conclaves of domination in them, and they intend to get rid of
Christian, Jews, Buddists, and all other beliefs than their own. It
is the definition of jihad.
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 5:10 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Texas Church mass shooting
OK. I’ll accept you definition and according to it, the US is a
terrorist state.
Miriam
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of MARY CONVY
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:32 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Texas Church mass shooting
People have different definitions for terrorism and yours differs
from mine.
Too many times terms are watered down and lose their meaning.
Bullying is the worst example. Even time a kid is looked at
cross-eyed it is not bully.
And a mentally ill guy shooting up his in-law's church is not the
same as a guy running a truck into a crowd with the goal of killing
all non-Muslims in the name of Allah so they can take over the world.
It is very different and just a very weak attempt to say, oh, Muslims
aren't the only ones to
kill--you white guys do too. We never used the word terrorism for crazy
guys committing mass murder and we shouldn't today. True terrorism
actually wants to instill world wide terror in the entire world's
population that does not submit to their way of thinking. The goal
is world takeover. A crazy guy shooting up a church may scare the
heck out of us, but his goal is not world wide terror.
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on behalf of Miriam Vieni
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Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 10:01 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Texas Church mass shooting
I don’t hate government. I think government should stop representing
the interests of corporations and should start representing the
interests of the majority of people. I believe that we should have
more services provided by all of us to all of us and stop privatizing
everything and stop with the “public/private partnerships”.
But he must have had a reason for choosing to shoot people in a
church, even though he has a history of violence. If you look at the
people who were immediately labeled terrorists, they also had
questionable histories, which was what I was trying to say the other
day, and then they had a rationale for doing what they did. For some
of them, claiming membership in ISIS, was the rationale. In his mind,
this guy also had a rationale. We just don’t know what it was, and
because he doesn’t have a Muslim name, no one is labeling what he
did, “terrorism”.
Miriam
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eelists.org> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Texas Church mass shooting
He's nuts. Dishonorable discharge from Air Force, history of
violence, hates government. One thing in common with many here. He
was shooting fish in a barrel and they would all be dead if it
weren't for a neighbor who came running with his own gun and shot the
guy.
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Texas Church mass shooting
No motive is being suggested, hmm.
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Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 5:52 AM
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I just read the Washington Post article. No motive is being suggested.
Apparently, they don't know anything about the man who did the
shooting except that he's white. Interestingly, this is, I gather a
white Baptist congregation. One would have expected some quotes from
officials about increasing gun violence and the need for immediate
gun control legislation.
Not a word!
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Texas Church mass shooting
Hello. Unfortunately, at least 26 people have been killed after a
gunman opened fire at a church during Sunday services, officials
say. The attack happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland
Springs, a small town in Wilson County, Texas. The gunman, who is
reported to have been killed in the aftermath, entered the church
and opened fire at around 11:30 local time
(17:30 GMT). Governor Greg Abbott confirmed the death toll and said
it was the worst mass shooting in the history of Texas. "This will
be a long, suffering mourning for those in pain," he said at a news
conference on Sunday. Texas Department of Public Safety regional
director Freeman Martin said the ages of the victims ranged from 5
to 72 years old. Authorities said at least 20 people were also
injured and taken to hospital. Mr Martin described the suspect as a
young white male in his early 20s, dressed in all black and wearing
a ballistic vest as well as tactical-type gear. He was armed with an
assault-style rifle. He began shooting outside the church before he
entered and opened fire, Mr Martin said. A local citizen "grabbed
his rifle and began shooting" at the suspect, before the gunman fled
in a vehicle. The citizen pursued the suspect, who drove off the
road and crashed his car at the Guadalupe County line. Police found
the suspect dead in his car, but it is unclear if he died from a
self-inflicted gunshot wound or from returned fire from the citizen,
Mr Martin added. As usual, the incident is described as a national
tragedy. However, it won't ever be viewed as an act of terror nor it
won't urge law enforcement commission to desperately hasten for gun
law redressal. The situation has been clearer than ever before. If a
Muslim committed this incident, it would have been instantly
described as a denotative act of terror. It would have surged brunt
Islamophobic sentiment across the States. The rate of hate and
despicable bigotry has reached its peak of extremity. I am genuinely
questioning your jural authority, is it sufficiently judicial? The
shooter has been described as a lone gunman and Trump called the
incident a horrible crime. I am now an unfeigned percipient of
American deliberate secernment of murder incidents.
It just depends on who is the criminal. If he happened to be Muslim,
he is a brutal terrorist. But, if he was a white guy, he is just a
lunatic, mentally unbalanced. This racialist scenario is incessantly
iterated. I really don't know what to say at this point. I just hope
no one you know has been anguished. Of course, I grieve what
happened. This was rather unfortunate.
What concerns me at this point though, is the double standard of
viewing such incidents. It essentially depends on who is the crook.
I criminalise such incidents. I call them intolerable acts of
terror, despite who's the murderer. I do not think someone in the
States or elsewhere may disagree with me. However, Some white
supremacists make a plain distinction between malefactors, depending
on their faith or race. I am saddened seeing more innocent souls
lost because the National Rifle Association blocks off any bills to
regulate weapon possession. The situation worsens excessively while
the solution is plain and straightforward. The battle between greed
and law enforcement is subjected to vastly intensify. Congress is
dominated with gun boosters. Senator Ted Cruz is just one of them. I
wonder, what will he possibly do subsequent to this grave mass
shooting in his State?
Bob Evans