Nope, I am afraid you are both wrong. I solved the riddle finally:
*5.2.3 TRANSFER OF ARMY FACTORS: During an Army Reinforcement*
*Step unbesieged corps in the same area may exchange factors as desired,*
*capacity permitting. Corps of different nationalities (including different*
*minors or a major power and a minor country) may not exchange factors.*
*This is the only time during a Turn that army factors may be exchanged*
*except to detach and absorb garrison factors (see 7.3.3). Army factors may*
*also be exchanged with garrisons in the same area during this step, the*
*same as in 7.3.3 and, if all factors are detached from a corps, the corps*
*counter is removed (see 5.2.4). EXCEPTIONS: Feudal, insurrection and*
*artillery factors may not be exchanged.*
The above rule is on *reinforcement*, and rules out any other army factor
exchange, *with the exception of detaching/absorbing garrison factors in
7.3.3*.
Fine so far, lets check 7.3.3
*7.3.3 MOVING INTO CITIES-DETACHING/ABSORBING FACTORSGARRISONS:*
*During a major power's Land Movement Step, any*
*non-artillery, non-feudal or non-insurrection corps may detach factors as*
*garrisons at, or absorb army factors from, depots hnd/or unbesieged*
*friendly or vacant cities by reducing or increasing its strength, if the*
*capacity is there. There is no movement point cost for doing this.*
So points here
A) 7.3.3 is on the *Land Movement* step. The rule Dimitris and Yannis use
is on 7.5 (*Land Combat*) Since 5.2.3 clearly mentions that *only
reinforcement and 7.3.3* are the times to exchange factors, it means it is
not possible at any other time.
B) Furthermore 7.3.3 mentions this exception happens in a major's power
Land Movement step, meaning its during a phasing player turn.
And as if the above are not enough, here comes 7.3.3.1
*7.3.3.1 DETACHING/ABSORBING FACTORS RESTRICTIONS: Regular*
*infantry and/or militia factors may not be detached or absorbed in an area*
*containing enemy corps outside a city.*
I believe the above prove 7.5.1.1 viewed in isolation is wrong. It is a
pitty we have to read several paragraphs of different sections in order to
understand something, but there it goes.
"Portion of forces" means whole corps.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yes, I agree Makis, this rule gives the defender the advantage of deciding
based on the force moving against him whether he intends to “give” a pp in
siege or not (provided the city does not have any flech). But as it is
written there is no reference to portion of army.
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 8:59:17 PM
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: dropping factors when attacked
in any case I will check the rules again, but as I don't see anyone else
replying/caring I will not push the subject
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Makis Xiroyannis <
makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok I see where you stand. But I think it refers to whole corps when it
speaks for "portion of forces".
Lets take an example: A French corps with 20 infantry is attacked in an
area where there is an empty city with four spires (but no fletch). As a
French player I do not like the odds of the attacking army, so I decide to
place 19 infantry inside the city *after* you move and declare the
attack. This way, even if you win the siege against 19 French infantry,
you will not even get a PP because the corps never retreated inside - it
didn't have to. And I did that after seeing what you had sent against me.
Can I do that?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I agree with Dimitris, the rule allows for a portion of defender’s
forces to retire in the city. Since there is no explicit definition of
portion of “something” I can accept that it allows for factors from a
corps to retire in the city while the corps remains outside.
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on behalf of Dimitris Stavr. <poliorkitis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:23:38 PM
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: dropping factors when attacked
in Lille i followed the rule
7.5.1.1 DEFENDER RETIREMENT INTO CITY: Any forces or portion o 1f
forces upon whom an attack is declared may immediately retire into any
friendly controlled or vacant, and unbesieged city in that area but not
so as
to exceed that city's garrison capacity
to me it was clear that as a defender i had this right.
if this should be interpreted in a different way, you have my opinion,
the stage is yours.
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 19:15
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] dropping factors when attacked
Another question that I don't remember if we clarified or what we
decided
If a corps is attacked in an area with a city and wants to fight (as
opposed to retreat behind walls) can the defending corps still remove
factors from it and place them into the city?
I thought we could not since defender is not a phasing player, but I saw
Prussia doing that in Lille, shall we play it this way?