Subject: MP3 vs text reader From: Renee wahl <wahlrenew@xxxxxxxxx> It is always enlightening to read Sharon's clear and thorough messages and I learned a lot about the use of MP3 devices for testing - Sharon even did the research about the costs, where to purchase, suggested a way of getting the info to the schools efficiently and at short notice and other logistic details. Very interesting and definitely an option to think about. Having just decided to convert my old tapes to a more compact and modern tech format, I definitely agree with Sharon that CD's are wasteful of time and money. It takes too long to burn them, you have to check that they recorded properly, they can't be re-used and they can only be played on a CD player which is a sensitive device - how many of you have tape/radios with CD players at school where the CD player is the first to break down? I still, however, favor the text reader option. There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I am not advocating sitting a whole class in front of computers during a test. Are there whole classes of LD pupils that consist of more than 10-15 kids? I thought that's not according to Ministry rules! So how many LD kids are in the average 35 kid regular classes? I seriously doubt that the average is more than 5, and even if some classes have 10, it is still workable. The setup I see is a computer lab with 10-15 working computers, headphones that plug into individual LD pupil (Often the same headphones they use for their mobile phones, can be used with the computer and you can bet they don't forget their phones - but the school or parents can purchase headphones for 1-5 Shekels in almost any dollar store). If the pupils have been using the text readers to do their homework, or are accustomed to using them over time, they will know exactly what to do, and you can even sit them right down in front of the computer as soon as the class enters the room. The rest of the class sits in the middle of the room at desks or chairs and does the test in the usual way. If you have a computer room that isn't big enough to accomodate that many pupils, then since tests are usually level wide, you can get together with another teacher giving the test at the same time. You take the LD kids from both classes to the computer room and the other teacher monitors the rest of the kids. You need more monitors for the LD kids? Why not enlist the parents of the LD kids? After all, it's their kids who will benefit. What I've written above is for regular testing, not Bagrut, but I see no reason why a similar arrangement can't be worked out for regular Bagrut testing. Regarding the issue of the kids using some of the WORD help options (dictionary, spell check, etc.) I don't see any problem. The kids are allowed to use an electronic dictionary anyhow. The WORD dictionary is inferior to most of these dictionaries, so why would a kid use it, or if they do, so what. They are exempt from spelling errors anyhow, so no problem using the spell checker either. And if there is any other software that the kids might access to help them do the test - it can be disabled for the test. Anyhow, what's the problem here? We give these kids old-fashioned (paper dictionaries, electronic dictionaries) help, but refuse to let them use more modern tools which they will have access to and need to use in real life??!!! What's the logic here? So, no need to purchase MP3's, batteries, disk on key, remember to bring appropriate cables, etc. Once again, I'd like to emphasize the importance of teachers who are technophobic making some effort to overcome their problem (just as you expect the LD kids to overcome theirs - be a good example!). And in cases where this is not feasible, every school that has computers, has a person who is paid to maintain the software as well as the hardware. Why should their job be limited to working only for the computer teachers? (Have you ever seen how much time is put into preparing the computer labs for the Bagrut in computer courses?) Preparing computers for text readers is a piece of cake compared to that. Turning off the internet is just a matter of knowing where the switch is located. Have you spent extra time setting up the computers and materials for the LD kids? Then you are entitled to being paid for your time according to the new agreement that was discussed here several times. It comes under the heading of 'reading the test to the kids" and "the monitoring them during extra time accomodation". Report it as such and you will get paid for it. No more need for home-studio recording facilities!!! Renee See Sharon's message at - http://www.freelists.org/post/etni/Fw-media-change-for-LD ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------