Subject: bobarded adi's final response From: Adi Orian <austenorian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> I find it interesting that the ones who support my view answer me personally and not on the list... I fear for the democratic process... So, final one, please move on to another strand please... I am not an advocate or a believer of the "slippery slope" theory that some of you are proposing...Things are not always as related to one another Are you seriously equating terrorism/medical neglect and more to...children cheating on an exam to get a better grade???? I refuse to believe that none of the teachers on the list has ever lied/cheated/tricked as a child or even, dare I say, as an adult! If you insist, I will propose the possibility that you are "sugarcoating" your life to match the "holier than thou" attitude you've taken! All of you giving private tutorials without paying taxes, please answer carefully...! I honestly said that I tricked teachers in school, and therefore I can say as honestly that I've done nothing else in that "family" My attitude is not so much casual as differential, that is that one cannot deduce so much and foresee the gloomiest future from a child's deceptive behaviour. If this becomes a way of life, that's a different matter and should involve our good example and education. For instance, I ask the students to write their book reports alone (without parental help) - the parents themselves insist on helping, thus actually cheating, until I lower the student's grade for using parental assistance (I then give a higher grade to the student who did work alone!). That is my example for both students and parents and it works. Like I said, it is about testing boundaries, which is a good, fruitful thing, as well as about observing their limitations. If all goes well, the student grows up learning that "crime doesn't pay" for many reasons, not just for penalty, but for dignity, etc. The problem is that our education system is so easy to trick that kids grow up learning that it does actually pay to cheat.. an issue for an entirely separate e-mail chain...:) Adi ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------