[etni] Re: Fw: bobarded adi's final response
- From: Michele Ben <mggben@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ETNI <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, austenorian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:14:27 +0300
to everyone else for writing on this topic. All the postings I've seen have
been thought-provoking, among other things.
In the end, cheating in school comes down to the emotional state of a
student, the pressure he or she is under, her or his self-efficacy and also
is often simply a kid testing the limits - which is something being a kid
is all about.
Adi rightly points out that we should keep our perspective on this.
And we should always strive to educate towards honesty and integrity.
Michele
2009/7/19 Ask_Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: bobarded adi's final response
> From: Adi Orian <austenorian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I find it interesting that the ones who support my view answer me
> personally
> and not on the list... I fear for the democratic process...
> So, final one, please move on to another strand please...
> I am not an advocate or a believer of the "slippery slope" theory that some
> of you are proposing...Things are not always as related to one another
> Are you seriously equating terrorism/medical neglect and more to...children
> cheating on an exam to get a better grade????
> I refuse to believe that none of the teachers on the list has ever
> lied/cheated/tricked as a child or even, dare I say, as an adult! If you
> insist, I will propose the possibility that you are "sugarcoating" your
> life
> to match the "holier than thou" attitude you've taken! All of you giving
> private tutorials without paying taxes, please answer carefully...!
> I honestly said that I tricked teachers in school, and therefore I can say
> as honestly that I've done nothing else in that "family"
> My attitude is not so much casual as differential, that is that one cannot
> deduce so much and foresee the gloomiest future from a child's deceptive
> behaviour. If this becomes a way of life, that's a different matter and
> should involve our good example and education.
> For instance, I ask the students to write their book reports alone (without
> parental help) - the parents themselves insist on helping, thus actually
> cheating, until I lower the student's grade for using parental assistance
> (I
> then give a higher grade to the student who did work alone!). That is my
> example for both students and parents and it works.
> Like I said, it is about testing boundaries, which is a good, fruitful
> thing, as well as about observing their limitations.
> If all goes well, the student grows up learning that "crime doesn't pay"
> for
> many reasons, not just for penalty, but for dignity, etc. The problem is
> that our education system is so easy to trick that kids grow up learning
> that it does actually pay to cheat.. an issue for an entirely separate
> e-mail chain...:)
> Adi
>
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