----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Tzur" <sharontzu5@xxxxxxx> Subject: clarification Clarification 1 - I criticized the choice of pieces for the core program - I did not criticize the people who chose them or who are drafting the new program. I also did not suggest that the pieces were chosen deliberately in order to "push" us into the log option (although I did see one such posting). As for suggestions, I sent Judy my suggestions last summer. Naturally, there will be many suggestions sent in, and only a few will eventually be chosen. 2 - I'm well aware that many people like the pieces that were chosen and that many people prefer to teach pieces they are familiar with. However, taken together, the list does offer pieces which are pretty bleak. I don't think the list is as yet chiseled in stone, and I don't see any reason why the Ministry can't look at the list and say, "Mmmm - the list has come out a bit on the heavy side - we need some balance here - let's add or replace one piece here with something more cheerful.: At any rate, my suggestion was to offer MORE choice to those of us who choose the test option. I don't see why anyone would object to 2 or 3 plays being offered as core pieces. (There will be a novel, but no one can compare a play to a novel - a novel is much more difficult for the students.) Yes, this will mean that the exam will have to have more questions, but I think that is a small price to pay if it means that teachers can choose pieces they like and consider appropriate for their students. Similarly, I think the core program should at least allow some choice regarding the short piece. My suggestion is to let us choose two out of four choices offered and cut down the "choice" list accordingly. 3- I'm really sorry, but telling us that there is a log option is not relevant to the discussion. Many of us have good reasons not to choose the log option. Those of us who choose the exam option should still have some choice, at least regarding the long piece. 4- Many of the people working on the program do read this list, so it is an appropriate place for feedback (which is not to say that we should not also send letters to Judy Steiner). I have great respect for the people working on the new program. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything in the new program. I repeat, HOTs can have a great place as part of our arsenal of tools for TEACHING. Questions of analysis in literature by their nature required high order thinking skills. I raised the question of whether it is appropriate to ask students in an EXAM to STATE EXPLICITLY which high order thinking skills they used to answer a question (and to explain why). I don't think this is an appropriate question, particularly when we are talking about an EFL exam. If explicitly reflection on HOTs as part of an EXAM can make a contribution, let them be introduced to the students in subjects which they study in their native language before they are introduced in an exam of EFL. 5- Avi mentioned that he is proud of the pioneering spirit of the English Ministry. To tell you the truth, I think that we are a country with limited resources and we have to be very careful when we try to go "where no man has gone before". Often, an idea looks promising on paper and in educational research, but it doesn't always pay off when transferred to the field. I would like to see if there are other countries introducing HOTs into their foreign language literature exams and see if it brings good results before we jump into the water. 6- I have been accused (off the list) of trashing the whole program. Not true. My criticism was geared at the choices for the core program (and lack of choice for teachers) - and some of the questions on the exam, particularly the questions of "State your HOT". ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------