[etni] Re: Fw: moral issues
- From: Ricky Moreno <moreno.riki@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ask@xxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:12:05 +0200
I totally agree.
I think we should all say that we refuse to test. Or give the students a
mark only on the interview part and calculate it out of 100%, which means
that the student is not penalized. If we don't do something soon the
ministry will NEVER consider our demands .
Ricky
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:04, Ask Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> moral issues
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sharon Tzur - sharontzu5@xxxxxxx 10:56
> Subject: moral issues
>
>
> I think that we are being faced with some impossible moral dilemmas.
>
> I think it is totally unfair to penalize students whose teachers are on
> sanctions. I've already posted my opinion about this. It isn't just unfair,
> it's immoral.
>
> I personally will not be party to this decision. How can I be called upon
> to
> do something which I consider morally repugnant? I think the situation
> justifies civil disobedience.
> I have not yet been confronted with students who did not come in to the
> oral
> bagrut with a project. (Undoubtedly, in many cases, teachers are having
> students do projects on their own). I think I will ask in advance if
> students have projects or not. If they don't, I don't know what I'll do.
> Perhaps simply refuse to test.
>
> I think we should ALL write in to the ministry of education - in Hebrew -
> protesting the policy which is putting us into an impossible position.
> Students who do not have projects because their teachers are on sanctions
> should be given an alternative. There is no precedent in this country for
> penalizing a student 12 points on a bagrut subject because of union
> sanctions.
>
> As to Nina's posting - I don't think she is teaching students to lie - she
> is - like all of us - being put into an impossible position and she is
> acting to ensure that the students she tests are not punished for something
> which isn't their fault. Giving students a zero, lowering their bagrut
> grade by 12 points - isn't that also a lie? If a student can speak English
> fluently and we rate their speaking as "100", is giving them a score of
> "40"
> for speaking an HONEST assessment? NO!!! It's just a vindictive policy -
> punishing teachers who dare to go on sanctions - not directly, but by
> punishing their students. If the ministry wants to fight our sanctions, if
> the ministry thinks that teachers on sanctions are derelict in their duties
> as teachers, let them penalize us on our paychecks (if they dare) - not
> penalize our students.
>
> As for issues of morality. Just how moral is it when some teachers carry
> out
> unpopular strikes and sanctions while others do not, and then when the
> strike or sanctions pay off, those who did not strike or carry out
> sanctions
> reap the benefits. How many teachers who currently are criticizing the
> sanctions will refuse to accept pay for projects when an agreement is
> finally reached? (I can't really hold Histadrut teachers to blame - their
> union has not called on them to carry out this sanction, but then again, if
> they believe we should be paid for projects, they could leave the union
> which is not fighting for that right and join the union which is.)
>
> As for teaching students to lie - I hate to be cynical, but I'm convinced
> that there are masses of students in this country who are not really
> reading
> the books which they do their book tasks on. There are some students who
> actually read five books - native speakers, and some of our 4 and 5
> pointers. But many students do not read all the books they claim to have
> read, (at least not in English) and yet we blithely go on, year after year,
> letting them get away with the lie that they have read 5 entire books in
> English. (There is really no way for us to know whether a student has read
> a
> book in English or in Hebrew, or not at all.) If we want to teach our
> students to be honest, this is an issue which should be dealt with. For
> years I have felt a sense of shame at being a part of this sham.
>
> Yours,
>
> Sharon Tzur
>
>
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