[etni] Re: Fw: re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
- From: Mitzi Geffen <mitzi1002001@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ETNI <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, mggben@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:19:09 -0700 (PDT)
I certainly don't object to getting paid more! I DO object to lies being used
to plead the case. Any teacher who takes a course and already has all of the 20
gmulim - whether in civics, history or English, doesn't benefit from the gmul
given for the course, so I don't think that is relevant. To say that teachers
are being forced to take the course this summer with no compensation is simply
not true. I happen to know that there is a long waiting list of teachers who
wanted to take the course in the summer, and were closed out of the course
because of the many teachers who signed up first.
As for marking the logs, yes - we are paid as bagrut markers at the present
rate of 126 NIS per what they think you can do in an hour - in this case 5
logs. (For an F exam, it's 6 exam papers). If you mark tasks as you go and all
you have to do at the end is mark the last task and make sure all of the
assignments are in the log, this number per hour is definitely fair.
I've always thought there should be gmul "hachana l'bagrut" for the projects
and oral bagrut- especially since it is a separate bagrut exam, complete with
magen grade! But, as I understand, Irgun Hamorim signed an agreement with the
ministry about the projects when they were started. There was no attempt at
negotiation for better terms before sanctions were announced. I don't think
that is the way to get want is due us.
Mitzi
--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Michele Ben <mggben@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Michele Ben <mggben@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
To: "ETNI" <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:44 AM
Mistakes or not, the fact is teachers in other subjects get extra pay, hours
etc when their curriculum changes and the demands for the Bagrut changes.
This happened in Civics, History (although I know that the teachers in our
school didn't get the hour they were supposed to have gotten) and Language
(Lashon). This is in addition to the gmul pay one gets for taking the
course, which many of us DON'T get because we have passed the maximum
allowed for gmulim. Do teachers get paid at the rate of Bagrut testers for
checking the Lit Log like the Civics teachers get paid for checking their
new project requirement? Why do the Civics teachers get paid for checking
the project (and the grade is separate - a percent of the Bagrut grade, not
in the Magen so it doesn't wreak havoc with the school grade. With us the
formative assessment is mixed with the high stakes and makes a mess) and in
English this is not the case? And it isn't part of the Bagrut grade, just
the school grade.
The issue has nothing to do with whether or not the Lit program is good or
bad, or whether or not projects are good or bad. (I think that most people
who have done them and tried them basically agree that they are for the
good. In my opinion, any teaching based on formative assessment and process
promotes learning better than teaching to the test.) The issue here is
getting paid fairly for work done, like in the other school subjects.
Michele
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Ask_Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mitzi1002001@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
>
> Just for your information -
>
> There are two glaring mistakes in Ran Erez's letter. First, no one has been
> forced to take the training course this summer. Second, those who choose to
> do so are getting gmul, just as they do after taking any teacher-training
> course.
>
> Finally, though we are all entitled to our informed opinions about the new
> module and how much extra work it will or will not force the teachers to
> do,
> I think that it is only reasonable that those who negotiate what we are
> willing to do, should do so with full knowledge of the requirements of the
> module.
>
> Do keep in mind that those who participated in the pilot program and
> actually tried it out with students, were largely in favor of the program,
> and some even chose to try it with a second group of students, though it
> was
> entirely optional, and they could have gone back to having those students
> take the F exam.
>
> Mitzi Geffen
>
>
> Ruth wrote:
> >Letter From Ran Erez to Judy Steiner explicitly stating we are not to
> >participate in any courses pertaining to the new Lit program until the
> >question of suitable remuneration for teachers' extra work has been
> >addressed. This is apparently in response to the meeting held today
> between
> >our english teachers and the Irgun Hamorim.
> >
> >http://www.irgun-hamorim.org.il/index.asp?action=read&atcid9899
>
>
>
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