[etni] Fw: re: question re 4-5 point group
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- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:47:26 +0200
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From: "Marlene" <marlenegay@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: question re 4-5 point group
Spot on! The results are the lower levels in the mechina (college
preparatory for the "ptor" required for university) where they need to deal
with academic English, but lack the time to learn the basics - which they
should have done in high school.
Marlene
Miriam wrote:
> I read all the letters about the 4-5 pointers and I believe the one that
> Dov Bloom wrote should be the model, more or less. I would like to refer
> to Kathi's letter where she states that 3 and 4 pointers end their English
> studies at the end of 11th grade.
>
> I think that constantly pushing the kids ahead of their abilities
> means that they are always getting low grades. It is too early to do
> Module C in 10th grade, too early to do the project and the oral bagrut
> at the beginning of 11th grade and it really makes no sense at all for
> davka the 3 and 4 pointers to loose out on an additional year of English
> in 12th grade. Why? 4 pointers may go to university and need English.
> Maybe some 3 pointers will too. Why deprive them of a year of English?
>
> In 10th grade they don't have enough English for Bagrut. The fact that
> "they don't have to study for the exam" is misleading. The more English
> they know, the better the results of the exam will be. The principals of
> the schools don't understand this and they think that because "the kids
> don't have to prepare", they can take the exam early and get it out of the
> way. It just doesn't work that way. They have to know as much English as
> possible to do the exam properly precisely because they can't "prepare".
>
> The same goes for the project. They have to read unsimplified
> sophisticated texts in order to do a proper project. Why do it so
> early? They also have to know how to speak. This exam should be done
> sometime before Pesach of 11th grade, the earliest.
>
> And yes, they should ALL be studying English in 12th grade at least until
> the winter if not all year. They need English for life.
> Why deprive them of a whole year of studies?
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