---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sharon Tzur <sharontzu5@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Defining and non-defining "Can it be said that the same defining relative clause can be also be non-defining, depending on the context. For example, "The van which I bought three weeks ago already needs repairs" sounds more like non defining to me." My opinion: if you have several vans, then the clause is defining because you are explaining which of the vans you are talking about. If you just have one van..then the clause is non-defining. Use punctuation to make the distinction. If it is non-defining, then the relative clause must be preceded and followed by commas. Some purists prefer to use "that" for defining clauses. What about this "A few friends whom I met at the new school are coming to the party"? My opinion: I'm not as sure on this one...I think it sounds like non-defining...perhaps because I'm bothered by "a few" if used as defining, but I can't explain why it doesn't ring right to me. For a defining clause I׳d prefer, "The friends that I met at the new school are coming to the party." You have many friends and are defining which of them you are talking about. If it is non defining, it sounds as if those few friends are the only ones coming to the party. To teach the distinction, I use the following: Teachers that work hard should be well paid. Teachers, who work hard, should be well paid. In sentence one you define which teachers should be well paid. In sentence two, you are saying that all teachers should be well paid, and adding a comment that they all work hard. Yours, Sharon Tzur ************************************** ** Join ETNI on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/31737970668/ ** ETNI Blog and Poll http://ask-etni.blogspot.co.il/ ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** post to ETNI List - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** help - ask@xxxxxxxx ***************************************