**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** Thank you Lev for bringing up the issue. It is truly discriminatory. One of the ways to fight this attitude is by refusing to accept such ads in forums of any kind. I would like to draw everyone's attention to TESOL's position statement on equality and teacher quality http://www.tesol.org/assoc/statements/2003-06-tq.html and to the TESOL non-native teachers' caucus which deals with these issues in depth. http://www.tesol.org/mbr/caucuses/nnest.html Ofra -----Original Message----- From: etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lev Abramov Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:02 AM To: Etni@Freelists. Org Subject: [etni] Re: job postings (was: wall street and teachers) **** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:01 AM The following ad has appeared on ETNI Job search for about six months. Wall Street Institute School of English is looking for dynamic and creative native English speaking teachers for our branches in Petah Tikva and Rishon. -------------snip----------------------- I would like to add another facet to the issue of banning certain ads off this list. In my opinion, posting "native English speaking teachers" requirement would never run in a country where "Equal Opportunity Employment Policy" is a must (see http://www.cokecce.com/srclib/1.1.3.html, for example) unless one were looking for a lawsuit to lose. Call it a personal crusade, but a few advertizers of this sort have already received offlist messages explaining the racist nature of their posting: applicant's place of birth set as a requirement for a position. Ads like this hit a red button on my personal keyboard. I can still remember the old burning feeling when, while in Russia, my job applications kept getting rejected due to the fact that I was Jewish (sometimes the reason was somewhat disguised, in other cases quite explicit). I could never change that fact of my biography no matter how hard I tried... How do you think I feel when I see job ads listing "Native English Speaker" among the requirements? To make such a long way from Russia - only to get the same sort of feeling once again?! [Especially given the fact that, unlike some native speakers posting to this list, I spell "definitely," not "definAtely," and can tell the difference between "its" and it's," etc. But who cares?!] BTW, only 1/4 of people speaking English are native speakers; another quarter are those for whom English is their second language. Finally, 50% speak English as a foreign language. So who "owns" the language? There is a very elegant solution for those who still believe they prefer to hire someone born in a specific country, rather than a teacher with a certain set of abilities and qualifications: list it as "language proficiency at mother-tongue level." Then feel free to filter the applications as you please - but at least make your posting look decent. Non-natively yours - Lev ----------- Lev Abramov The Schiffman Institute - an equal opportunity employer. <http://home.schiffman.biz> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 12/07/2004 ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx ##### ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####