In reply: We all know where we can official answers. The point I was trying to make is that we also know that our inspectors (whom I assume we all know and I for one, like personally and respect professionally - they have usually been teahers like us ) must be reading this list. They neeed to keep in touch with the field, and when the topic is neutral, they sometimes contribute. However, they cannot take sides publicly on controversial issues involving Ministry policy. I would only hope that they are reporting and urging fair play in the appropriate places. Also, it would help if they gave us the simple facts and explanations, like Mitzi did, right here on our list instead of our having to waste the time we have less and less of, on the Ministry's site. I am happy to hear that there is a school in Beer Sheva which actually got the facilities they need. I am not interested in waiting a few years for the promises to be fulfilled, while I am forced to sit for long hours at school in the noisy, messy and distracting teacher's room during my extra hours. Also, being forced to sit at school for 4 hours in the middle of the day, waiting for the one hour at the end of the day when the person who did the scheduling stuck a class (for which most of the students don't bother to come anyway). In this way they have made it virtually impossible for us to 'charge' our shaot shehiya against meeting hours. A reasonable system does not start a major change without ironing out the details beforhand. I'm not talking about minor glitches, but major ones. Oz and Ofek have been implemented for 3 years now. As far as I can see, no one is trying to solve the problems. The Ministry and unions have conveniently given 'responsibility' on how to deal with the problems, to the individual schools. What if they are not competent enough, or care enough to do this? I do not think this is fine. So what is my conclusion from this discussion? I an sure the Ministry knows what the problems are. They won't do much to solve them unless forced to. We need to turn to our unions. They should be dealing with these issues. They shouldn't have allowed the reform to happen in the first place, but now that they have, they should be doing the job we are paying them to do. Most of the notices I get from the Irgun are about all the side benefits, social activities, discounts etc that they offer (which are mostly questionably benefits). Someone on this list suggested that we start a new union for English teachers. I think our first step should be a letter to the unions explaining why we will no longer be paying our dues to them. Demanding that they give us clear and relevant instructions about our obligations and recourse to the way we are being treated, reporting on exactly what and when they are doing to solve the problems. When the first 100 teacers do this, I think they will start to take notice. When the second 200 stop paying, they might even start to do something. Renee First of all, if anyone wants an official answer to a question, s/he should write to an official person, respectfully, and not expect all of the officials to be answering every ( or any) posts on a grass-roots ( wonderful!) public forum. A bit of respect for the position, in my opinion, is not too much to ask. Second, as for the meetings , Renee is right about the "shaot Shehiya". Hours are tabulated on a monthly basis, so you can spread the extra hours over the next week or so, and come in late or go home early if your shehiya hours are scheduled at the beginning or the end of a day. Finally, our school joined Oz L'tmura right from the first chance, and very nice facilities were built for teachers to work in - sort of work carols with a comfortable desk chair , a desk and a computer with an internet connection, plus a few small rooms for working with more than one student or meeting with a few teachers. I agree that without that, the shehiya hours would be pretty useless, but I have to say that having them is really terrific. Now if they would throw lunch into the bargain, like a normal workplace, we could really feel like somebody cares about our well-being! As usual, the reform was started before the structure was ready, but when everything gets sorted out, I think it will be fine. Mitzi Mitzi ************************************** ** Join ETNI on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/31737970668/ ** ETNI Blog and Poll http://ask-etni.blogspot.co.il/ ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** post to ETNI List - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** help - ask@xxxxxxxx ***************************************