I am working on a trip to Europe and used the Sendero GPS route recording features to help me figure out the shortest route to visit 8 cities. I went to a GeoCoding web site and typed in the name of the city and country and got the lat/lon for that city. I set that lat/lon as my virtual position. I then recorded a manual waypoint at that virtual position. I repeated these steps for each city. Then, I rearranged the waypoints, checking after I moved each point to see what the total route distance was. I wanted to minimize the amount of back tracking we do. This is a rough estimate but it was a fantastic tool to help in understanding the distances and direction between the various cities. The other useful aspect of creating a virtual route using a city lat/lon, is so that I can quickly place myself in that city without having to know an address. Once I load the route, I can go to any of the waypoints and set it as my virtual position. This works of course in countries where we have maps but also in countries where we don't. Maybe someone could take on the ambitious project of creating a waypoint for every country. You could then set any country as your virtual position and find out how far it was from any other country. The url for the geo coding site is http://stevemorse.org/jcal/latlon.php It is very accessible. Mike Michael G. May CEO Sendero Group Developers and distributors of BrailleNote GPS Distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Talks, Miniguide, The Tissot Silen-T tactile watch, and the ID Mate bar code reader MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.SenderoGroup.com 1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007 Sendero Group, LLC 1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA Latitude, 38 33 9.239 North Longitude, 121 45 40.145 West