[jawsscripts] Re: Third party Scripting utilities oppinions?
- From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:44:02 -0500
I used JLS Utilities constantly in my early scripting days. As one of my first
JAWS scripting projects, I wrote "JFWUtils"--my own utilities which
were based off JLS and added MSAA support. I used "JFWUtils" religiously for
years, discovered BX in mid-2009, and couldn't tell you where my own
utilities are now. :)
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:06:27 +1000, Geoff Chapman wrote:
> Dave. /anyone else who'd like to chime in?
> I wanted to ask you, as an unbiased person, i.e. not Jamal, not Jim
> snowbarger, and not Doug Lee either, <grin,> but whom I know does this
> professionally for a living, and whom I know from hanging around here long
> enough, who knows his stuff when it comes to all this milarki,
>
> Have you messed with any/all of the scripting investigation utilities that
> are out there? particularly from the 3 mentioned above? I believe a bloke
> called Michael Curren also had one at one point, though I don't know how up
> to date it is any mnore, given he's given his entire attention now, to
> developing the NVDA thing?
>
> But, yeah, just wondered if you had, whether you'd like to give your
> personal oppinion/vibes, on the strengths/sweaknesses, pros/cons, you may've
> found with any/all of them, in your own personal work?
>
> I'd prefer personally at my level of scripting knowledge, probably not to
> just dive in and try and start learning any/all of them myself,without some
> other vibes from the people who haven't written them, as to the overall ease
> of use, or usefulness in content provision of each? hope that makes sense?
>
> I guess one could install more than one at a time, but Jim S himself has
> indicated to me, that this might become rather confusing, because the way he
> traverses JLS's window hierarchy, is kind of 90 degrees different, to the
> way Doug traverses his. Also Jls utilizes lots of modifiers and keys,
> whereas doug's utilizes the layered mode approach. Don't know much about
> Jamals Windig utility yet though?
>
> thoughts welcome from anyone whose dabbled?
>
> I gotta say, I've been utilizing lately, some just incredibly helpful
> utilities for Script manager itself, that Jim S has recently developed, and,
> oh my goodness! I'd never wanna go back to using script manager now, without
> these, they are simply invaluable!
>
> features like: ... oh well I'll just paste in the very breif helper feature
> Jim's got on insert+h, for these script manager replacement scripts. maybe
> you'll get a sense of what they can do from this.
> I personally just love the NewLine comment skipper, Windows+Arrows,
> the ability to speak comments in the message voice by default, rather than
> hearing, semi colon, and then your comment in the standard voice,
> man you never wanna go back once you've had a taste of that I can tell ya!
> the indentation level speaker, double click to turn it on auto speak mode,
> or simply press Windows+Graveaccent once to speak the current indentation
> level,
> The Match up match down keyword finder, with Control Arrows, and the ability
> to move back to where you were if not found with controlShiftUpArrow,
> the ability to put cursor on a function within a calling script,
> and then hit f9, to jump directly to that function, and control+f9 to jump
> back again,
> 4 settable bookmarks with alt+1 through alt+4, and return to bookMarks,
> using control1 through control4.
> oh on and on!
>
> Here is the Helper text from Jim's file anyway. He wrote them for himself,
> and so he warns that supportive stuff is brief, as i suspect most people do
> who make utilities of this kind anywayz.
>
> To search downward for matching elif, else, EndWhile, or endif, press
> Control+DownArrow
> To search upward for matching keyword, pres Control+UpArrow
> To seek upward for indentation decrease, press Control+Windows+UpArrow
> To seek downward for indentation decrease, press Control+Windows+DownArrow
> to return to starting line before keyword match or indentation seek, press
> Control+Shift+UpArrow
> Say Next non-comment line, press Windows+DownArrow
> Say prior non-comment line, press Windows+UpArrow
> Toggle comment skipping mode, press Windows+NumPad5
> Speak current line number, press Windows+1
> Speak Indentation level of current line, press Windows+`
> Double click to toggle automatic speaking of indentation level.
> Control whether comments are spoken in the message voice, double click Alt+`
> Single click to return to the normal voice if the message voice is active
> when it should not be.
> Make a new line at current indentation level, press Shift+Enter
> Make a new line a next indentation level, press Alt+Enter
> Make New line at next outer indentation level, press Control+Enter
> To Find the script for a given hotKey, press F5, then the hotKey.
> To manually specify the keymap to search, press Control+F5.
> To set the keymap to the currently focused jss or jsl file, press
> Control+Shift+F5.
> To set book mark 1 through 4, press alt+1 through alt+4 on the numnbers row.
> To go to book mark 1 through 4, press control+1 through control+4 on the
> numbers row.
> To find the code for a function in this file, place the cursor on the
> function call and press f9.
> To return from a funtion, press control+f9 after having used the f9 key.
> To hear the description of a function, place the cursor on the function name
> and press Alt+F9.
> To search for a constant definition in an opened jsh or jsm file, Place the
> PC cursor on the
> first character of an occurrence of that constant name in a jss file, and
> press control+shift+c.
> To fine the definition of a message in an open JSM file, place the cursor on
> the message name in the jss file,
> and press control+shift+m.
> The following will create and insert the necessary code to speak values for
> testing.
> You must have installed the JLS_debug keys, listed at the start of scrit
> manager.jss
> And must turn debug on with alt+control+windows+f9.
> to speak a literal string of text, press f6
> To speak a string variable, press f7.
> to place a string variable in a message box, press shift+f7
> to speak an integer value, press f8.
> To place an integer value in a message box, press shift+f8.
> Reference list hot keys:
> Collect the word or selection under the cursor in to the reference list,
> press Control+[
> Choose a name from the collected reference list to paste into the script,
> press Control+]
> Type a string of text into the reference list, press Windows+[
> To remove an item from the reference list, press Windows+]
> To clear the list, Double click Windows+]
> Save the reference list to a file, press Alt+]
> Saving an empty list to a file will delete that file.
> Load a reference list from a file, press Alt+[
> Press escape to close this message.
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:45 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Please Help Me Remember Which Script Utility Does
> This
>
>
> > What you want is the snowman's JLS utility scripts.
> >
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> >>>> "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 01:51 PM Wednesday, July
> > 21, 2010 >>>
> > Hi,
> > I can't remember if the tool to use is HSC or some other tool. This is
> > what I want to do. I want to find one window, then a second one, and get
> > JAWS to tell me the series of statements to use to make a path from one
> > to the other. For example, GetPriorWindow(h) GetParent(h)
> > GetNextWindow(h). You probably get the idea.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Homme,
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