[jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:57:52 +1100
Hi Jamal.
This message below contains your name at the top, but no visible
text/content from you that I could see?
Would you care to check this and repost whatever your no doubt valuable
commentary was upon this issue?
I'm sure we'd all be the richer for it.
Thanks.
Geoff c.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:32 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> Jamal
>
>
> On 3/21/2011 2:11 PM, Dean Masters wrote:
>> I know Logos is supposed to be working on accessibility. they did change
>> one
>> combo box so that we can use the library.
>>
>> I think it is just the nature of the beast where you can't use the jaws
>> cursor to read any text in wpf. Hopefully it will get figured out by the
>> different parties sowe can actually read the text on the screen and use
>> the
>> mouse buttons on it.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geoff Chapman
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:32 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>
>> well that would suck majorly! whose job would it be then to bring decent
>> accessibility handles to this platform, or whatever it's called.rendering
>> engine or whatever.
>>
>> is it an fs thing that they need to support properly? or a wpf thing,
>> that
>> it's not exposing text to us like we need it to.
>>
>> whose door do we go knockin on to get this resolved.
>> is WPF an ms thing?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Masters"<dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:18 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>
>>
>>> the Logos Bible software uses wpf. I have jaws 12 and cannot read the
>>> text
>>> panels. they have included a function to read aloud the text and they
>>> have
>>> redone some of the combo boxes and list boxes so we can read them but
>>> there
>>> is still a lot we cannot do in this program. You can tab through the
>>> areas
>>> and when you hear "panel" you know that is where the text is supposed to
>>> be.
>>> Then you can hit the applications key to save it but I don't think there
>>> is
>>> any way a blind person can do real bible study including looking things
>>> up
>>> with the wpf programming language since the text can't be seen so can't
>>> be
>>> clicked on.
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Manish Agrawal
>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:58 AM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>
>>> Jaws 12 - the latest stable patch.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:09 AM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Which JAWS version have you tried?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal
>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:14 PM
>>> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> At work, I am working on creating a WPF application , which is almost
>>> completely inaccessible (as expected) out of the box.
>>> There are several textBlocks on the screen that present useful
>>> information
>>> to the user but are not a part of the tab order and never get focus.
>>> Jaws does a fairly good job with these in Silverlight where it loads
>>> everything in a virtual buffer. However, with a WPF app, jaws doesn't
>>> pick
>>> up anything at all.
>>> Also, UIA exposes a whole lot of information with grids but none of the
>>> screen readers seem to give me even very basic support for content in
>>> tables, let alone full table support.
>>> Combo boxes are announced as "combo boxes" and that is the end of it. I
>>> cannot figure out any way of reading the contents and current selection
>>> inside a combo box.
>>> With NVDA, I am able to get to most of the textblocks and grid cells
>>> using
>>> object navigation. Object navigation is however, hardly a good way of
>>> accessing an application as a user and gives very little sense of the
>>> layout
>>> of the content on the screen.
>>> I also tried the demo version of the new window eyes 7.5 (it has UIA
>>> support
>>> now) and got results comparable to NVDA but because of lack of WE's
>>> capability or my lack of practice with that product (not to mention the
>>> very
>>> irritating 30 minute limit before re-boot), I couldn't make much
>>> progress.
>>> Has anyone done any work on these problems and made any more progress -
>>> specially with jaws or any other screen reader?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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