[jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:51:26 +1100
oK, thanks very much Jamal for this repost eh.
I definitely saw it this time.
hmm.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
> Hi Geoff,
> That is puzzling, as I just checked my sent mail folder and found the
> whole message. Here is what I meant to say:
>
> Unfortunately, I think text screen writes for WPF controls cannot be
> captured in the off screen model of JAWS or other screen readers, hense
> the inability to review with the mouse cursor. User Interface
> Automation (UIA, the successor to MSAA) is supposed to be a
> comprehensive API that makes an off screen model unnecessary for WPF
> controls, but if the API or keyboard interface are not implemented
> properly, there is less accessibility than with controls based on the
> Win32 API.
>
> Jamal
>
> On 3/22/2011 9:57 PM, Geoff Chapman wrote:
>> Hi Jamal.
>>
>> This message below contains your name at the top, but no visible
>> text/content from you that I could see?
>>
>> Would you care to check this and repost whatever your no doubt valuable
>> commentary was upon this issue?
>> I'm sure we'd all be the richer for it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Geoff c.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: "Dean Masters"<dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:32 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>
>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/21/2011 2:11 PM, Dean Masters wrote:
>>>> I know Logos is supposed to be working on accessibility. they did
>>>> change
>>>> one
>>>> combo box so that we can use the library.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is just the nature of the beast where you can't use the jaws
>>>> cursor to read any text in wpf. Hopefully it will get figured out by
>>>> the
>>>> different parties sowe can actually read the text on the screen and use
>>>> the
>>>> mouse buttons on it.
>>>>
>>>> Dean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Geoff Chapman
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:32 PM
>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>>
>>>> well that would suck majorly! whose job would it be then to bring
>>>> decent
>>>> accessibility handles to this platform, or whatever it's
>>>> called.rendering
>>>> engine or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> is it an fs thing that they need to support properly? or a wpf thing,
>>>> that
>>>> it's not exposing text to us like we need it to.
>>>>
>>>> whose door do we go knockin on to get this resolved.
>>>> is WPF an ms thing?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Dean Masters"<dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:18 AM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the Logos Bible software uses wpf. I have jaws 12 and cannot read the
>>>>> text
>>>>> panels. they have included a function to read aloud the text and they
>>>>> have
>>>>> redone some of the combo boxes and list boxes so we can read them but
>>>>> there
>>>>> is still a lot we cannot do in this program. You can tab through the
>>>>> areas
>>>>> and when you hear "panel" you know that is where the text is supposed
>>>>> to
>>>>> be.
>>>>> Then you can hit the applications key to save it but I don't think
>>>>> there
>>>>> is
>>>>> any way a blind person can do real bible study including looking
>>>>> things
>>>>> up
>>>>> with the wpf programming language since the text can't be seen so
>>>>> can't
>>>>> be
>>>>> clicked on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Manish Agrawal
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:58 AM
>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaws 12 - the latest stable patch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:09 AM
>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Which JAWS version have you tried?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:14 PM
>>>>> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] UIA - WPF and textblocks
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> At work, I am working on creating a WPF application , which is almost
>>>>> completely inaccessible (as expected) out of the box.
>>>>> There are several textBlocks on the screen that present useful
>>>>> information
>>>>> to the user but are not a part of the tab order and never get focus.
>>>>> Jaws does a fairly good job with these in Silverlight where it loads
>>>>> everything in a virtual buffer. However, with a WPF app, jaws doesn't
>>>>> pick
>>>>> up anything at all.
>>>>> Also, UIA exposes a whole lot of information with grids but none of
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen readers seem to give me even very basic support for content in
>>>>> tables, let alone full table support.
>>>>> Combo boxes are announced as "combo boxes" and that is the end of it.
>>>>> I
>>>>> cannot figure out any way of reading the contents and current
>>>>> selection
>>>>> inside a combo box.
>>>>> With NVDA, I am able to get to most of the textblocks and grid cells
>>>>> using
>>>>> object navigation. Object navigation is however, hardly a good way of
>>>>> accessing an application as a user and gives very little sense of the
>>>>> layout
>>>>> of the content on the screen.
>>>>> I also tried the demo version of the new window eyes 7.5 (it has UIA
>>>>> support
>>>>> now) and got results comparable to NVDA but because of lack of WE's
>>>>> capability or my lack of practice with that product (not to mention
>>>>> the
>>>>> very
>>>>> irritating 30 minute limit before re-boot), I couldn't make much
>>>>> progress.
>>>>> Has anyone done any work on these problems and made any more
>>>>> progress -
>>>>> specially with jaws or any other screen reader?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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