[jawsscripts] Re: jaws and windoweyes scripting abilities, leading edge?
- From: "E.J. Zufelt" <everett@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:04:15 -0400
To clarify my last point:
Because of cost and the learning curve of a new screen-reader, I expect that
users will only switch with a substantive reason. Neither FS or GW likely
have the resources to commit to blowing the other's product out of the water
as far as features go. Much of the accessibility that can be found in
applications (iTunes up until a couple of months ago) was because of the
efforts of scripters not associated with either company. I simply don't
think that there are enough scripters for either screen-reader to tip the
scale and create the critical mass difference that will cause a mass rush
from one product to the other.
Thanks,
Everett
----- Original Message -----
From: "E.J. Zufelt" <everett@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:57 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: jaws and windoweyes scripting abilities, leading
edge?
> Good morning Geoff,
>
> This is certainly on topic.
>
> Having not played with WindowEyes scripting I will give my two cents.
>
> 1. I expect that as a whole the WindowEyes scripting capabilities are more
> flexible and featureful than JAWS. I have found the programming
> restrictions and limitations of JAWS to be frustrating at best.
>
> 2. Without having statistics I would say that the majority of users, and
> more importantly rehabilitation professionals, are sort of set on JAWS as
> the only solution. This means that like it or not the user base is most
> familiar with JAWS and this will likely not be changing in the near
> future.
>
> 3. I do think that it is a great marketing plan, if not just good for
> everyone, that GW Micro has begun to offer payment plans for WindowEyes.
> This will certainly reduce the barrier for individuals interested in
> switching screen-readers. But, the switch will only come if GW Micro can
> show JAWS users that there is a substantive reason to switch.
>
> 4. Because of the limited number of scripters and open source scripting
> projects for either major (in market share) screen-reader I think that it
> will be difficult for any company to significantly influence the market.
>
> Thanks,
> Everett
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] jaws and windoweyes scripting abilities, leading
> edge?
>
>
>> Hey Brian/listers.
>>
>> hey what you've said below brian, re your view that jaws is still the
>> "leading edge" screenReader, with particular reference to it's ability to
>> provide enhanced flexability re your business of writing scripts for
>> increased usibility of applications etc,
>> really kinda intrigued me. Everet will indicate if he thinks this not on
>> topic, but, given that WE now does have support for scripting, and given
>> that you were once a window eyes man if I remember rightly back in the
>> olden
>> days,
>> I'm curious to have you share your particular reasons for thinking Jaws
>> *is*, still the "leading edge screenReader?" particularly I guess for
>> ontopicness of this list, presumably in your view, in it's still ahead
>> ability to meet the needs of high accessibility demands, even though WE
>> now
>> also has scripting capabilities?
>>
>> What I'm trying to ask is, have you yourself, personally, really put the
>> new
>> windoweyes scripting through it's paces? to, for example, try and mock
>> up
>> in windowEyes script land, what you've been able to achieve in jaws
>> script
>> land? and if so, have you found definite areas that windoweyes scripting
>> support still lags behind in, compared with that of jaws builtins?
>>
>> Or do you feel it's just not economically worth your while now investing
>> resources in learning Windoweyes scripting approach, in order to perform
>> such tests with any degree of equal fairness to both sides, as per
>> perceived
>> strengths and weaknesses?
>>
>> I'm just really curious to hear you share your views/thoughts, as to
>> specific reasons for below?
>> I'm such an hsc man now that I can't see myself leaving the jaws world
>> any
>> time soon, given how much energy I've invested in it, but, I'm still
>> curious
>> to hear other's views on this.
>>
>> Would you care to elaborate?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Hartgen" <jaws@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:24 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Announcement, JAWS for Windows training
>> courses
>>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Actually the message went to this list in error as it should have gone
>>> to
>>> another jaws list. Sorry about that. However:
>>> 1. I did preceed it with the word "announcement" so in fact you could
>>> have
>>> hit delete if you had wanted to.
>>> 2. We have had two responses to it already who would not have otherwise
>>> known.
>>> 3. I think more importantly we are really trying very hard to promote
>>> jaws
>>> as a screen-reading product. These services and the third party scripts
>> we
>>> produce are just not being done in the UK at all. With the advent of
>>> scripting abilities and enhanced features in other screen-readers, I
>>> think
>>> it is very important that we let people know about what jaws related
>>> services are available to keep it the leading edge product that it truly
>> is.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew2007
>>> Sent: 04 December 2008 16:10
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Announcement, JAWS for Windows training
>>> courses
>>>
>>> This is advertising on the list isn't it?
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:42 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Announcement, JAWS for Windows training courses
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi
>>> > During 2009, our company are delivering some training courses in the
>>> > use
>>> > of the JAWS for Windows screen-reader. If you would like to know more
>>> > about the courses so you can learn more about JAWS, please visit our
>>> > Training Courses page at
>>> > http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/courses.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Brian Hartgen
>>> >
>>> > __________
>>> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>> http://jawsscripts.com
>>> >
>>> > View the list's information and change your settings at
>>> > http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> __________
>>> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>>> http://jawsscripts.com
>>>
>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>>>
>>> __________
>>> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>>> http://jawsscripts.com
>>>
>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>>>
>>
>> __________
>> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com
>>
>> View the list's information and change your settings at
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>
> __________
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>
> View the list's information and change your settings at
> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
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