[jawsscripts] Re: scripting noobie (again)
- From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:55:57 -0400
Odd, it must be something to do with the api used by third-party applications.
On 7/4/10, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> OT_NO_DISABLE is supposed to do that.
>
> On 7/4/10, Martin Slack <m.g.slack@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Have you looked in the insert+v dialog (Adjust JAWS Options) under
>> Editing
>> Options where you can turn Typing Echo off?
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:01 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: scripting noobie (again)
>>
>>
>> I do not mean to just pass it through. I want jaws to see that it was
>> pressed, but not speak it. For example, maybe I want to silence the
>> universal alt+tab keystroke you use to move from open app to open app
>> in Windows. Putting aside the possible location of the script, the
>> idea is that you press alt+tab and just hear the name of the newly
>> open window, NOT "alt tab". It seems that passing sayMessage an empty
>> string will do this, but I wondered if there was a better way.
>> You are right that pausing will not work. The problem is not so much
>> that it is a fast-paced game, but that it is impossible to know how
>> long the message will take to be spoken since everyone's speaking rate
>> is different. Is there a flag that would force the message to be
>> spoken fully before any other messages come in?
>>
>> On 7/4/10, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Alex, if u don't want jaws to do anything w/it, just delete it. No
>>> sense havin a script that's just gonna pass a keystroke to the app.
>>>
>>> U could have a delay(2) or something like that following the pause,
>>> but, in a game like that, I'd think time is of the essence, & delays
>>> would be unwanted.
>>>
>>> On 7/4/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Pause makes some of it spoken. I think I will just settle for
>>>> silencing the keystroke, for this program at least. Is there a more
>>>> eloquent way of doing that than just passing sayMessage an empty
>>>> string or a space? That is, use the same script I already have, but
>>>> just tell jaws to not speak that keystroke?
>>>>
>>>> On 7/4/10, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Alex, in a case like this, the message likely needs to be spoken *b4*
>>>>> the keystroke is passed to the app. It may also help to insert a
>>>>> pause() statement, after the message but prior to passing the
>>>>> keystroke along.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry about the error earlier. This is what I get for relying on aging
>>>>> ram. I'll check out the game. Maybe I'll like it. Could always use
>>>>> another game to play.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/4/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> A game from
>>>>>> http://www.gmagames.com
>>>>>> called Time of Conflict. It uses a good deal of keyboard keys to move
>>>>>> units, create units, and so on, and I figured I would put together a
>>>>>> script for jaws users that provides a more helpful message for these
>>>>>> hotkeys. For example, if you are on one of your units and press
>>>>>> control plus i, you move that unit north one cell, so my first script
>>>>>> should say "unit north one cell". The unit moves, but the message is
>>>>>> not spoken. Instead, the next message from the game is spoken, in this
>>>>>> case telling me that a new turn has started. My next program is a
>>>>>> media player called Mapler from
>>>>>> http://www.mar-dy.com
>>>>>> but that one will be after I get this one done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/4/10, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> What program r u scripting, Alex?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/4/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> There, it worked. As a note, at least in jaws11, it seems to have to
>>>>>>>> be TypeCurrentScriptKey, without the "name" at the end. Now my
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> is not being spoken at all, but I suspect that this is the program I
>>>>>>>> am scripting for. It interfaces directly with jaws as well, so I
>>>>>>>> figure my message is being pushed aside by a message from the
>>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>>> Not sure how to solve this one, but at least the keystroke is not
>>>>>>>> being spoken anymore, and I can apply this to another program which
>>>>>>>> will be better because it does not speak through jaws at an api
>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>> like this program does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/4/10, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No, Alex, it's Jaws. If a script is present, Jaws uses that
>>>>>>>>> keystroke
>>>>>>>>> for itself unless the script instructs it to pass the keystroke to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> app. Try typing in TypeCurrentScriptKeyName() follwoing or
>>>>>>>>> preceding
>>>>>>>>> the message being spoken & see if that doesn't solve your problem,
>>>>>>>>> ok?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!! My message is spoken. Oddly, though, the keystroke now
>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>> nothing in the program, as though jaws is eating it instead of
>>>>>>>>>> catching it and passing it along. Is this the ot_No_DISABLE flag,
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> something specific in the program? That is, is it my script, or
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> program itself?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/10, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, this is quite straightforward. Firstly, from the
>>>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> which u desire the keystroke to work, press insert 0 to open
>>>>>>>>>>> script
>>>>>>>>>>> manager.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Next, type in the following lines:
>>>>>>>>>>> include "hjconst.jsh"
>>>>>>>>>>> include "hjglobal.jsh"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, press control e to bring up the new script dialog. Name your
>>>>>>>>>>> script, check the 'can be attached to keystroke' box, write in a
>>>>>>>>>>> synopsis & description, choose a category if desired, assign your
>>>>>>>>>>> keystroke, & activate the ok button.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> U didn't say which key to assign, so, I'll take insert dash as an
>>>>>>>>>>> example. There are several ways this can be done.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The code looks like:
>>>>>>>>>>> const
>>>>>>>>>>> SALEXMSG = "Sock it to me baby, let it all hang out."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> script SpeakAlexMessage()
>>>>>>>>>>> ; insert dash
>>>>>>>>>>> sayMessage(ot_NO_DISABLE, SALEXMSG)
>>>>>>>>>>> endScript
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the insert dash is simply a comment telling the key assignment.
>>>>>>>>>>> Press
>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl s & compile. Your key should now work just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another way to do this is to put the constant in a .jsh or .jsm
>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>> include it in the script, as so:
>>>>>>>>>>> include "hjconst.jsh"
>>>>>>>>>>> include "hjglobal.jsh"
>>>>>>>>>>> include "alex.jsh"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then the .jsh file would contain the definition of SALEXMSG as
>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>> the script can use it to speak the message just as I illustrated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Including a message file is a bit different. One usually does
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> there are many messages, &/or the messages need to be formatted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> messages
>>>>>>>>>>> @MSGAlexMSG
>>>>>>>>>>> Sock it to me baby, let it all hang out.
>>>>>>>>>>> @@
>>>>>>>>>>> EndMessages
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The file begins w/messages & ends w/endMessages. Each message
>>>>>>>>>>> begins
>>>>>>>>>>> w/an @ sign, followed by the message name. Press enter, type your
>>>>>>>>>>> message, including line feeds, etc., & when done, put 2 @ signs
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was on here several months ago, trying to figure out how to
>>>>>>>>>>>> write
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> basic script for jaws that would speak a hard-coded message when
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> key
>>>>>>>>>>>> was pressed instead of speaking the keystroke itself. I am again
>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to solve this problem, but I cannot locate any responses
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> received last time around. I am a long-time jaws user, and am
>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable in Python and Java, but the Jaws scripting language
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat clunky and not as smooth or straightforward, though
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> from an self-proclaimed scripting newb.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a simple way of doing this? That is, catch a keystroke,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> speak a message in place of speaking the keys pressed. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> apologize
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I am asking again, but I now have more time than I had
>>>>>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could locate the emails I had from my last try, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure where they would be.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read through the scripts to Jamal Mazrui's Edsharp
>>>>>>>>>>>> program,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not find where he set things up to speak custom
>>>>>>>>>>>> messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>> example, in that program with the scripts installed, jaws will
>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>> "save" when control-s is pressed, and not "control s" at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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