Minor Correction.. TSID is in the PAT not the PMT... William tjharvey@xxxxxxx wrote: > I made the change at our station about six months ago. I would advise using > your transport stream monitor and examining closely that the MPEG Transport > PSI tables are in agreement with the ATSC PSIP tables. > > After the change (we were following the ATSC A/58 recommendation of starting > from program 2 (eg PMT 0X20 Video/PCR 0X21 etc) we found that about half of > our receivers immediately found the new paradigm and the others needed to be > rescanned and were fine. However, as we discovered in the past, if there was > any misalignment between MPEG PSI and ATSC PSIP MGT then you would have > problems. > > Also, it is important to ensure that other descriptors are correct. We had a > problem earelier when the TSID in the PMT did not match the TSID in the TVCT: > in this case some receivers would not display but would acknowledge presence > of a program! > > The only real answer is to use you stream analyser and examine closely for > discrepancies. > > Terry Harvey > >>From: Mark Aitken <maitken@xxxxxxxxxx> >>Date: 2004/12/22 Wed AM 10:09:43 EST >>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [opendtv] Re: A/53C PID requirements for Jan 1, 2005 >> >>I (too) am trying to confirm issues with receivers. What makes it so >>difficult is the lack of understanding (even on the part of the >>Broadcast vendors) of what is "correct", and what MAY "work". >>Ron Economos wrote: >> >> >>>William Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ron, >>>>1. What model receivers are having trouble? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>The receivers that stopped working were the >>>Toshiba DST-3000, the VOOM stb, the >>>USDTV stb, the Hitachi 51S700 integrated >>>tuner HDTV and some PC tuner cards. >>> >>>A few stb's reverted back to the RF channel >>>number and showed the MPEG-2 Program >>>number as the sub-channel (24-3 and 24-4). >>> >>>The LG-4200A, Zenith HD-SAT520, RCA DTC-100, >>>Sony HD-300 and my own Samsung SIR-T165 had no >>>problems at all. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>2. Did the TVCT get updated with the new informaion and a new version >>>>number? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>I' don't work for KGO, but I am the MPEG-2 Transport Stream >>>expert at LSI Logic (formerly C-Cube), so I was just trying to >>>help out. However, it looks like they got some help from the USDTV >>>folks and the problem appears to be solved as of 3 pm Tuesday >>>(and they are still using Program numbers 3 and 4). If I find out >>>what the actual problem was, I'll post it here. A TVCT mismatch >>>seems highly possible. >>> >>>Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>William >>>>KET >>>> >>>> >>>>Ron Economos wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>As many of you know, ATSC A/53C has dictated >>>>>that all PID assignments (except for PAT) will be >>>>>numbered equal to or above 0x0030 after January >>>>>1st, 2005. >>>>> >>>>>At the same time, the "program paradigm" for PID >>>>>assignment has been deleted. The "program paradigm" >>>>>is in older versions of A/53, and assigns PID numbers with >>>>>these formulas (where N equals the MPEG-2 Program >>>>>Number). >>>>> >>>>>PMT = 16*N >>>>>PCR = 16*N + 1 >>>>>Video = 16*N + 1 >>>>>Audio = 16*N + 4 >>>>> >>>>>One of the local DTV stations here in the SF Bay Area, >>>>>KGO-DT, has fulfilled the equal to or above 0x0030 PID >>>>>requirement by changing their Program Numbers from 1 and 2 >>>>>to 3 and 4 and continuing to use the old "program paradigm". >>>>>This results in PIDs 0x0030, 0x0031, 0x0034, 0x0040, 0x0041 >>>>>and 0x0044. >>>>> >>>>>This has caused some receivers to display a black screen >>>>>and no audio when tuned to KGO-DT. No amount of >>>>>re-scanning will resurrect these receivers. >>>>> >>>>>So the question to the group is: >>>>> >>>>>What is the safest way to satisfy the equal to or above 0x0030 >>>>>requirement? Since the "program paradigm" has been deleted, >>>>>should MPEG-2 Program Numbers now start at 1 (instead >>>>>of the previously recommended 2)? >>>>> >>>>>Thoughts and experience would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>>Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >>> >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>>FreeLists.org >>> >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>>unsubscribe in the subject line. >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >> >>Regards, >>Mark A. 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