[opendtv] Re: Ajit Pai thanks Congress for helping him kill net neutrality rules
- From: "John Shutt" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "shuttj" for DMARC)
- To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 06:44:51 -0500
Bert wrote:
Telecom neutrality took effect, by an act of Congress, in 1906. We are simply
talking about that guarantee of neutrality in today's telecom services. Which,
as we all know, evolved beyond just voice. The Internet is a two-way nationwide
(and worldwide) comm service, to businesses and to households. Therefore by
definition, a telecom service, just as voice telephony is a telecom service.
It's that freakin' simple.
And that telecom neutrality is still in place, is it not?
Why do you continue to treat the specific “Net Neutrality” rules implemented by
the Wheeler FCC in 2015, approved on a strict party line vote, upheld in a DC
court by a 2-1 decision, in effect for two years, then repealed by the Pai FCC
in 2018 along similar party lines, as if the Pai decision reversed 113 years of
precedent?
All Pai did was undo what Wheeler had repeatedly said he had no authority to
do, until Wheeler decided (with much pressure from his boss) he did have the
authority. Pai did so on a similar party line vote.
The result? The internet today is regulated in exactly the manner that it was
regulated in 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, etc.
Your 113 years of telecom neutrality has been left untouched.
If you feel so passionately about reclassifying internet service, your efforts
should not be focused on “crooked” Chairman Pai, but to the new Pelosi
Congress. I feel your cause will be received more favorably there, and finally
the correct path to “Net Neutrality,” namely the lawmaking progress, will be
followed. Sweeping rules by fiat was not the correct path, and I thank
Chairman Pai for righting that wrong.
John
From: Manfredi (US), Albert E
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:47 PM
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Ajit Pai thanks Congress for helping him kill net
neutrality rules
John Shutt wrote:
Happy New Year, Bert!
Thanks! And Happy New Year John!
With your lame rhetoric about "crooked Chairman" Pai you're starting
to sound like I did regarding COFDM.
:)
If you want to quote the article I posted, quote this, which sums
up my argument to you for the past year plus:
I'll get to your quote in a sec. Meanwhile, what I was referring to was the
subject article, from which I take three excerpts:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/ajit-pai-thanks-congress-for-helping-him-kill-net-neutrality-rules/
"'Over the past year, the Internet has remained free and open,' Pai said,
adding that 'the FCC's light-touch approach is working.' Pai didn't mention a
recent case in which CenturyLink temporarily blocked its customers' Internet
access in order to show an ad or a recent research report accusing Sprint of
throttling Skype (which Sprint denies)."
And
"Pai claimed that broadband speed improvements and new fiber deployments in
2018 occurred because of his net neutrality repeal-although speeds and fiber
deployment also went in the right direction while net neutrality rules were in
place."
And
"Judges will be asked to decide whether the FCC's net neutrality repeal can
remain in place and whether the FCC can preempt state net neutrality laws.
California agreed to suspend enforcement of its new net neutrality law while
the litigation is pending."
Which I don't think the FCC is allowed to do, unless there was some clear
problem created by the previous legal decision. These agencies can't just
ping-pong decisions, just because some crook on the take becomes in charge. In
this case, there was such universal agreement for guaranteed neutrality, from
the courts, Congress, and the people, that it should be slam dunk.
Net neutrality didn't take effect until 2015
Telecom neutrality took effect, by an act of Congress, in 1906. We are simply
talking about that guarantee of neutrality in today's telecom services. Which,
as we all know, evolved beyond just voice. The Internet is a two-way nationwide
(and worldwide) comm service, to businesses and to households. Therefore by
definition, a telecom service, just as voice telephony is a telecom service.
It's that freakin' simple.
meaning nearly the entire history of the internet existed without
net neutrality.
Now you are going in circles like someone else we know. If you want to persist
with that misleading comment, include a response to the FACT that from 1981 to
ca. 2000-2005, i.e. when the Internet was introduced to the public, before the
broadband era, the first two decades of Internet service, the telcos were
compelled, often to their chagrin, to carry ISP service over their dialup
telecom service. It was that guarantee of content neutrality that allowed the
Internet to happen at all, John.
You're merely parroting the ignoramus claims of this ignoramus FCC Chairman.
Next thing you know, you're also going to claim that one cannot tell apart an
Internet service provider from a web site? These are both really clueless
claims, from what should be the expert government agency on matters of telecom.
People have never had this kind of mental confusion during the era of voice
telephones, have they? Why the sudden bout of stupidity?
Get it? Obama's Net Neutrality rules implemented with his "pen and
a phone" when Congress didn't pass the legislation he wanted lasted
just under three years, not 100.
More like 113 years. Again, if you are going to persist with this circular
argument, address why you think that Internet service is any different, in its
function as telecom to households, from voice telephony. In your mind, is there
any logical reason for you to think that an ISP can block your comms with, say,
the bank of your choice? When they were strictly forbidden that for voice
telephone service? Answer that, before (again) repeating the nonsense spouted
by the crooked Chairman, John. So we can move past square 1.
Bert
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