At 01:00 PM 3/1/2006 +0100, Jeroen Stessen wrote: >Timeshifting is caching, which is not the same as copying. The program is >typically stored on the harddisk in such a way that it can not (easily) >be extracted from it (by a PC) and burned on a DVD. So it is a cache copy. > >It can not live outside the recorder. (If everything is well..) > >A cache copy should not be seen as a real copy. If caching were forbidden >then all Internet Providers would be sued for caching peer-to-peer traffic > >and thus distributing copyrighted content. But they are exempted. > >The least that they (we) could allow is some sort of self-destruct >mechanism, >where a "No_Copying_Is_Permitted" program is automatically deleted after >having been viewed. Or after so many hours or days of being stored. >Whatever. This is what is happening in the US cable market if you are using a cable-provided DVR. They can allow you to time shift a program that would otherwise be copy protected on the analog outputs. And they can control retention time (and, I think, number of views). The cable DVRs have much higher penetration than standalone units in the US and most consumers are happy with the arrangement. Units that allow programs to be recorded to DVD, at the disgression of the cable operator, are in the pipeline. Some of the major cable equipment vendors have decided to focus on the low level bit twiddling (including DRM) and open up the presentation layers to 3rd parties, so we could see a Cisco/SciAtlanta DVR running Tivo software in the near future. gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.