[opendtv] Re: China OKs its own terrestrial DTV spec

  • From: Bob <bob@xxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:15:42 -0400

I think this reporter cut and pasted parts of a past story into this one and got it wrong. China was going to go with a dual standard but took some time and come up with a compromise which incorporates some of the VSB stuff but is still a multi-carrier TD-OFDM modulation. Broadcasters are not going to be using a single carrier for rural areas and a multi-carrier for cities. I think the VSB part is more face saving to get this done. Notice no one is talking about dual receivers or broadcasters having to chose what modulation to use anymore which they were doing in the summer.

I thought it would have been interesting to see them go head to head and was disappointed when they compromised. The VSB had mobile test in one city and fixed in some others but the DMB-T test were taking place in 30 or more cities. If they had gone head to head no one would have implemented the VSB. As it is I don't think you will find any help from whatever was grafted onto the DMB-T from VSB to make it CDMB-T/H. Would like to know what it is though. I think the VSB side caved because they knew that if they didn't win it all and were part of a dual standard they were history. Same as would have happened if Sinclair had been successful in getting COFDM allowed in the US. 8-VSB advocates fought very hard against that because they knew that 8-VSB stood no chance against DVB-T.

Though I think the VSB system in China was far better than what we have and it would be great if we could use it here.

Bob Miller

Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
Some time ago, I posted an article which explained that the Chinese DTV
standard was developed by two universities, one which developed a VSB
scheme, the other a time-synchronous COFDM scheme. The two were merged
into one standard. It looks like this combined standard has been
approved.

The new aspect of this story is that, apparently, the VSB portion of the
standard must be used for fixed reception, and the COFDM portion, which
seems to be only time-divided COFDM, is only meant for portable handheld
devices. I hadn't gotten this impression last time, but it makes sense
if the COFDM part of the standard is only for time-synchronous
transmissions (a la DVB-H, is my assumption). Here's the quote:

"The resulting spec is less a combination of the universities' work than
a coexistence of two modulation schemes--Tsinghua's time-domain
synchronous orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing and Jiaotong's
vestigial sideband modulation. Jiaotong's technology will be used for
broadcasts to fixed TVs; Tsinghua's technology will be more suitable for
mobile terminals in urban settings."

The good news for ATSC, I think, is that this means that many more smart
people will be looking for equalizer and tuner technology improvements
aimed specifically at VSB reception. What's more, the manufacturers
designing and building VSB receivers for the Chinese home market will
likely also be building ATSC receivers. At least some of their
innovations will probably also be applicable to ATSC.

Bert

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China OKs its own terrestrial DTV spec

Mike Clendenin
(09/04/2006 9:00 AM EDT)
URL: http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=192500943

Shanghai, China -- China's standards body gave the thumbs-up to a
homegrown terrestrial digital-TV technology last week, saying broadcasts
would begin next August. The decision clears the path for China's effort
to transition hundreds of millions of households to free-to-air digital
broadcasts. But it leaves a fuzzy picture for the mobile-TV segment,
where a handful of standards still compete.

China wants to see widespread use of digital TV by the 2008 Summer
Olympics in Beijing. For televisions, that will be easier to do. A few
chip makers, armed with early drafts of the standard, known as Digital
Multimedia Broadcast-Terrestrial/Handheld, are already putting the
finishing touches on silicon and reference designs, and they are
confident about winning design-ins for set-top boxes, personal media
players and notebook PCs (via USB dongles) by later this fall.

But there is uncertainty about whether DMB-T/H will be ready for the
small screens of handsets by the Olympics. That could leave the door
open to competing specs, such as Europe's DVB-Handheld, the MediaFLO
format pitched by Qualcomm Inc., and two formats announced in China in
recent weeks: Terrestrial-Mobile Multimedia Broadcasting, a derivative
of South Korea's Terrestrial-Digital Multimedia Broadcasting, and STiMi
(short for satellite and terrestrial interaction multimedia). The T-MMB
and STiMi camps plan to vie for a shot to prove their worth at the 2008
Games.

The DMB-T/H camp has a handset prototype, "but it is in the very early
stages," said Xingjun Wang, a Tsinghua University professor who had a
hand in hammering out the standard. "For commercial-grade [versions], we
still need a low-power chip set, and that is under design. So it will
not be easy to make that [Olympics] deadline, if you also consider the
testing and certifications that are needed."

Two days after China approved the standard, Analog Devices Inc. and
Legend Silicon said they would team up for a three-chip DMB-T/H solution
comprising a tuner and Blackfin decoder from ADI and a demodulator from
Legend. While clam-shell-style-phone support may be a ways off, ADI is
optimistic that the higher levels of integration needed for bulkier
smart phones will happen this winter, with hardware prototypes emerging
next summer.

"It will be in plenty of time for people to say 'Yep, it works', then
kick over to mass production so there can be millions of units in the
market for Chinese New Year 2008," said Dave Robertson, product line
director for high-speed signal processing at ADI.

Unlike Europe's distinct flavors for DVB--one for terrestrial, one for
handheld--China's DMB-T/H was designed for both fixed and mobile
terminals and will eventually serve more than half of China's TV
viewers, especially those in suburban and rural areas. DMB-T/H is an
outgrowth of work at Tsinghua University (Beijing) and Jiaotong
University (Shanghai), each of which had hoped to forge the sole
technology, but neither of which had the technological or political
muscle to pull it off.

The resulting spec is less a combination of the universities' work than
a coexistence of two modulation schemes--Tsinghua's time-domain
synchronous orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing and Jiaotong's
vestigial sideband modulation. Jiaotong's technology will be used for
broadcasts to fixed TVs; Tsinghua's technology will be more suitable for
mobile terminals in urban settings. China will deploy digital TV over
VHFIII and UHF spectrum ranges using an 8-MHz channel bandwidth.

Offshore-based chip companies that have expressed interest in the
Chinese standard thus far include ADI, STMicroelectronics and Conexant.
Legend has had an inside track on the spec because of its close
relationship with Tsinghua University, which is an investor, and so has
Shanghai High Definition Digital Technology, which is affiliated with
Jiaotong University. Other Chinese companies designing chips for DMB-T/H
include Hangzhou-based Guoxin Technology and Shanghai-based Chinips
Electronics. In handhelds, Microtune said it plans to expand its mobile
tuner product line to include DMB-T/H.

Some set-top-box makers and TV manufacturers, including Haier, Samsung
and LG, have turned out prototypes based on DMB-T/H. Trials for fixed
TVs and nomadic TVs have been ongoing for at least two years in more
than 30 Chinese cities.

By 2008, Tsinghua's Wang expects that DMB-T/H (whose name is being
changed to CDMB-T/H to reflect the standard's Chinese origins) will be
established in fixed TVs and nomadic terminals of the type used in taxis
and trains. But so far only China Putian has a prototype of a handset
supporting the spec.

That should leave the door open for T-DMB, a South Korean digital
multimedia broadcast standard that is being heavily promoted in China
and already is in trials, said ADI's Robertson. "If all the other
standards sputtered, and China needed something to deploy in volume with
the lowest risk, it would be T-DMB," he said.

DMB-T/H is theoretically more technologically compatible with Europe's
DVB-H than with the Korean format; for instance, DMB-T/H and DVB-H use
8-MHz channel widths, vs. 1 MHz for T-DMB. But early lobbying by South
Korean interests is giving that country's spec a solid foothold in
China.

"DVB-H is probably not going to be used here," said Wilbert Zou, an
analyst at Beijing-based telecom consultancy BDA Research. "The picture
is also uncertain for Qualcomm's MediaFLO."

Decisions on standards adoption are heavily influenced by China's State
Administration of Radio Film and Television, which favors DMB-T/H and
T-DMB over DVB-H and MediaFLO. That doesn't bode well for the latter
two, though in China's opaque decision-making process fortunes can
quickly turn.

Last month's rollouts of the T-MMB and STiMi mobile-TV technologies only
complicate matters. Few technical details are available for the new
formats, which are supported by academic-industrial coalitions in China.

T-MMB was jointly developed by Beijing-based software firm Nufrontsoft,
China's Communication University, and Southeast University. It is
supposedly compatible with Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB)-based T-DMB.
The spec supports frequencies from 30 MHz to 3 GHz, and a prototype chip
is ready, with samples expected in 2007, Nufrontsoft said.

STiMi was developed by the Academy of Broadcast Science, part of a
government ministry that regulates broadcasting in China. STiMi supports
the S- and UHF/VHF bands and will use both satellites and terrestrial
relays to implement coverage. Little more is known about the technology.


Chinese officials said they hope to finish trials with the new technologies by the end of 2006 and to move into commercial trials in 2007. Since the government has officially approved DMB-T/H, it could be tough for other domestic rivals to win out.

-- Cai Yan contributed to this story.

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