"Looks like cisco is trying to bend everyone over a barrel again like they did for VRRP - except now with TCP, by hijacking the new IETF process to work on TCP issues. Good way to ensure that everyone can't implement compatible standards, since free software implementors will not be able to implement this. When will people learn that RAND == NO FREE SOFTWARE. Of course, for all we know the applied patents are for Cat Detector vans, so you have no idea if this is even relevant." The complete statement from Cisco reads: --- Title: Cisco's Statement about IPR Claimed in draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure Received: April 26, 2004 From: Robert Barr Cisco is the owner of one or more pending patent applications relating to the subject matter of "Transmission Control Protocol security considerations" . If technology in this document is included in a standard adopted by IETF and any claims of any Cisco patents are necessary for practicing the standard, any party will be able to obtain a license from Cisco to use any such patent claims under reasonable, non-discriminatory terms, with reciprocity, to implement and fully comply with the standard. For information contact: Robert Barr Worldwide Patent Counsel Cisco Systems 408-525-9706 --- An additional write up with responses from Theo de Raadt (of OpenBSD fame) can be found at at KernelTrap here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3085 The IETF draft is here: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure-00.txt I love it - collaborate on the IETF draft, then underhandedly patent it. Funny that Juniper, Wind River, QNX and others also contributed... Cheers Kon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.