Tom Barry wrote: > You seem to be having quite a good time at this. ;-) > > Some of us kidded you forever for not getting an ATSC > receiver and now suddenly you have two of them. :) You know what? This is basically desperation. I figured last year that by this past Christmas season, at the latest, 4th/5th gen boxes would be available, and the prices down to about $130. I was basically so aggravated that this wasn't happening, even though by all rights it should have happened, that I just decided to give it a shot with the best of what was available. Another weird thing I discovered. There's a Humax ATSC TiVo PVR and a Humax TiVo DVD recorder out there that still require a phone connection. http://www.humaxusa.com/Product_frames.html In principle, that phone connection should not be necessary anymore. The PSIP guide should be enough. That too aggravates me. Perhaps this is why plain vanilla STBs have such rudimentary timers (and Humax HFA-100s have no timer at all). Once again, trying to force people into something complicated when incredibly simple solutions exist. Too bad people get sucked in. But yes, I am having a great time playing with this stuff. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.