[opendtv] Re: F.C.C. Proposes Privacy Rules for Internet Providers - The New York Times
- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 00:30:35 +0000
Craig Birkmaier wrote:
So the informed takeaway is that it works in many ways, most of
which can be beneficial, some of which are used for data mining,
and some of which can be characterized as "snooping."
No, Craig. The "informed" takeaway is that deep packet inspection is not
required for metadata, which is all you claimed they wanted to do. So whatever
AT&T wants to use it for, it goes into invading the privacy of your link. I
explained all of this already, on my first, or at most my second post.
As I said, it's used in security gateways, so I suppose AT&T could claim they
want to use it to filter out spam, although less intrusive means have been used
for years for that purpose, and that wasn't AT&T's claim.
Sound good, but Google SELLS that information.
Perhaps, so don't use Google. There are other search engines. That's why
competition is good. It mitigates the need for regulations.
I doubt the ISPs are looking at your search criteria. But they
are looking at the sites you visit as a result of your searches
Which does not require deep packet inspection, Craig. I already explained that
several times.
but that is NOT how DPI is being used by AT&T and most other companies.
Go back, re-read the article, and then tell us what AT&T wants to do with DPI,
Craig.
End to end security, or the ISP can snoop. And as a user, Craig, you
usually have NO CONTROL over whether or not you can implement end to
end security.
Not true. Yes they can snoop, but if the content is encrypted it is
just meaningless bits.
Not true? So, you think you have control?
Painfully again, an effective encryption system has to be end to end. Meaning,
between the server you are dealing with and your PC. Or, between the email
client on the other guy's PC and the email client on your PC. Otherwise, the
ISP who uses DPI can snoop. When you write emails, and they arrive at my email
client as plaintext, which they do, that means that ISP can snoop. It makes NO
DIFFERENCE whether at some stage, perhaps between your appliance and your ISP,
that message might have been encrypted. It got decrypted before reaching my PC.
AND
Under normal circumstances, you, the user, do not have control over what is
encrypted properly. Sure, if you go to your bank's web site, you'll see the
content is encrypted end to end. If you go to a search engine, it won't be. Any
site you browse that does not require credit card payment will generally be
unencrypted. If you use email, it normally won't be encrypted either, unless
it's enterprise network email. That's simple fact. So, encryption of everything
might happen sooner or later, but meanwhile, some ISPs seem keen on invading
your broadband privacy.
Bert
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