[opendtv] Re: F.C.C. Proposes Privacy Rules for Internet Providers - The New York Times
- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 02:09:52 +0000
Craig Birkmaier wrote:
Let's not get carried away here Bert. They are tracking the sites you
visit, just as Google and Amazon are doing.
No, Craig. As always, first inform yourself, then argue. I explained exactly
how it works. Gathering metadata does not require deep packet inspection. If a
user goes to Google to make a search, only Google should know what that user is
searching for, because the session is between a Google server and the user. The
ISP between the two should have no idea of what search criteria the user types
into the search engine. *At best*, the ISP may track what other server(s) the
user goes to after the fact, which does *not* require deep packet inspection!
AT&T wants the ability to do deep packet inspection, to see (for example) what
users are searching for, when the go to Google servers. Since this is what the
article said, it would behoove you to look up "deep packet inspection" first,
then take the article to task for spreading lies. And then prove it, of course.
While it is technically possible to "eavesdrop,"
That's the *only reason* for deep packet inspection. It is what security
gateways have to do, for example, to protect secure enclaves. They look at the
payload of all incoming and outgoing packets, searching for certain
pre-programmed keywords. They block whatever isn't kosher.
If the article had not mentioned deep packet inspection, I would not have
bothered to comment.
Does Google read your emails?
Who knows for certain?
If you use Google mail, then they just might. If you use Hotmail, it becomes a
lot more difficult. Because your email packets are not forwarded to Google mail
servers (unless, of course, you're sending mail to a Google mail user).
On the other hand, if an ISP is allowed to read the payload of your transitting
packets, they have access to everything your do.
Sorry, Any differences are superficial at best.
The differences are fundamental. Deep packet inspection allows complete
eavesdropping, just like phone tapping.
You can use e-mail services that are encrypted or Apps. This e-mail
message is encrypted in transit,
Which is close to useless. Your email arrives as plaintext at my end, which
means that anyone can snoop. I use Verizon DSL. Verizon can snoop and read all
my emails. They shouldn't be allowed that.
Security has to be end to end to be effective. PRECISELY the same as secure
telephone. How worthless would secure telephones be, if the conversation is
decrypted before it reaches the other side? Totally worthless. Exactly the same
applies to IP sessions. End to end security, or the ISP can snoop. And as a
user, Craig, you usually have NO CONTROL over whether or not you can implement
end to end security.
I already explained all of this. Before arguing, inform yourself.
Bert
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