Dan; My mother has been watching the Olympics on her new hdtv set. She sees the ball in water polo, and she doesn't see artifacts, and she has 16:9 video. Great, minimalist graphics, by the way. And, she gets her tv from cable. I see no breakups, no swizzles, and no artifacts. I think the whining about this - Athens, Torino and Sydney were different matters - has to do with sub-optimal encoding by some NBC stations, and people expecting perfection from cheese boxes or cable firms. John Willkie _____ De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx Enviado el: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: [Fwd: RE: [oldvtrs] So Much for HDTV] Craig: "Then again, we may be too critical. The AVERAGE CONSUMER probably does not care, or even see some of this crap." I think the consumer is noticing, but there isn't any feedback to let the producers know. I have heard from several non-technical friends that they notice artifacts (they use different terms) in some of the Olympic coverage. And another just recently changed from cable to DBS and says he was surprised that video could look that much better. Speaking of the Olympic coverage and artifacts, have you watched water polo? The ball actually disappears. Dan