Tom Barry wrote: > Are we now assuming ATSC STB's or TV's will work indoors in urban > canyons? I didn't know that was really proven yet with off the > shelf equipment. We know there is nothing in physics that prevents this. We know that it's doable now in more or less easy fashion, most likely depending on the quality of the tuner (i.e. independent of the specific modulation scheme), using current state of the art demod. 8T-VSB today, in its basic wide mode, is about as far from the Shannon limit as DVB-T2 wants to be. But 8T-VSB even today is not there as reliably as DVB-T is in its current form is. Echo tolerance, and in particular leading echo tolerance, is not as good as that of COFDM at the same spectral efficiency setting. So it's a mixed bag, but one that continued development of receivers, without having to change the transmission standard, can address. Not a bad place to be, really. Eventually, perhaps, 8T-VSB may get to the point where the 2/3 fixed convolutional FEC becomes a limiting factor. That's where receivers are good enough that we could move to maybe 3/4 FEC, and get better than 3.3 b/s/Hz of spectral efficiency reliably. That would require a change to the transmission standard, so it's as difficult to do as DVB-T2 is. We're not there yet with 8T-VSB, but it could happen. For now, concentrating on receivers makes sense. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.