[vicsireland] Re: New phone

  • From: "Joan Ann Brosnan" <kerrygirl18@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:42:21 +0100

Hi Dónal
I wasn't aware of this split tapping method so, I must try this out on the ITouch. Just another question I have, when it comes to editing text, like reading back over stuff and deleting it, how do you find the IPhone? This is not something I am very good at on the ITouch and, it doesn't really bother me as, I don't need to input text that much but, if I were writing texts, this would be important.

Joan Ann.
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From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" <dfitzpat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:25 AM
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone

Tim,

You are correct in that two taps are necessary.  However there are two
techniques for doing this:

1.  Flick one finger across the screen until the required letter is found.
Then double tap the screen.
2.  flick the finger across the screen until the required letter is found,
then (keeping the finger in place) tap with a second finger anywhere on the
device.  This second method is known, probably unsurprisingly as "split
tapping".

Cheers

Dónal

-----Original Message-----
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Culhane
Sent: 10 June 2010 08:55
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone

Hi Joan Ann,

I don't have an IPhone,  but as I understand  it you have to highlight the
letter you want  and   then  tab a second time  to actually  insert it in
the text.

The new approach  will mean you can run  your finger across the keyboard,
and when you have found the letter you want, you simply lift your finger and
it gets inserted.  This removes the need for the second tap.

Again, this is just my impression of how it works,  I could be wide of the
mark as I don't use the iPhone.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joan Ann Brosnan
Sent: 10 June 2010 08:40
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone


Hi Tim
What do you mean by the presence of
touch typing using the on   screen keyboard?  Is that not how the current
IPhone operates?

Joan Ann.
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From: "Tim Culhane" <tim.culhane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:12 AM
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone

Hi Joan Ann,

If you consider buying the iPhone  then  you might be better waiting
for
the
new version which I believe should  be available in Ireland some time in
July.

Improvements includes 40 percent  longer battery life (a must for
smart phones these days)  and accessibility  improvements such as the
presence of
touch typing using the on   screen keyboard  (which I imagine can only
make
texting much quicker).

Of course, if you want to get the existing phone it will likely be
significantly  discounted in price, so that would be the cheaper
alternative.


The downside is you'll be locked into a 18 month contract  and  the
monthly
tarriff (with bill pay) would be a bit higher.


Regards,

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joan Ann
Brosnan
Sent: 10 June 2010 00:09
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone


Hi Donal and Tony
Thanks a million for getting back to me.  I am strongly thinking of
going with the Iphone. I think the fact that you can buy a phone with
speech already installed and
working with many applications is cool.
I am with Vodafone.  As a matter of interest, do you both have a bill
phone?
Donal, I might have a few questions for you on Saturday if you don't mind.

Joan Ann.
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From: "Tony Murray" <tony@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:38 PM
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone

Hi Joan Ann,

I agree with everything Dónal says below.

You have a flying start with the iPhone if you're already happily
using the iTouch.

A few other points to note about using the iPhone:

Good Stuff:
- Once you get in to downloading Apps, and using the many many
features of the iPhone... You'll wonder how you did without it for so
long!
- Carrying out many of the operations on the iPhone is actually
quicker than scrolling through the old clunky menu systems on the
Nokia phones. This becomes very apparent when you get to know where
to find/expect things on the screen.
- The speech quality is easier on the ear than Eloquence.
- Voiceover is far more stable than Talks, in this humble user's
opinion.
- Once you get your iPhone, you can sell your iTouch!... The IPhone does
everything the iTouch does, and more.
- To adjust the volume of Voiceover, you simply use the control on the
edge of the phone (this is one of the few 'real' sets of buttons).
- If you get lost, or confused, or in any way unsure you can simply press
the 'Home' button which is the other tactile control.  This brings you
back to your home screen... Very handy when first getting to know the
iPhone.
- Isn't buying a device with all your accessibility features built in
just

far nicer than having to get additional software after buying your
new phone?
- The iPhone is the ultimate accessory!

Bad stuff:
- The speech comes through a speaker located on the bottom of the
iPhone, close to where you talk in to.  This takes a little getting
used to, especially if you're using the phone in a noisy environment.
Of course, you could use the included Apple headphones/Remote Control
as an alternative.
- The battery life is notoriously bad.  Apparently this is to improve on
the new version of the iPhone, which comes out at the end of June AFAIK.

Best wishes,

Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" <dfitzpat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:52 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: New phone


Hi Joan ann,

I've been using an iPhone now for several months and wouldn't swap
it. However, there are a few things that are significantly different.
I'll summarise here, but if you need more info feel free to contact
me off-list.

1. text-messages.

This is probably the most significant difference between the iPhone
and "traditional" phones such as the Nokia n-series.  In essence
there are two

things:
a) they are organised into conversations.  This took me some time to
get used to.
B)  due to the nature of the device text input is different.  However
if you are used to the iTouch, and have, for example browsed the web,
you'll have no difficulty.

2.  making calls.

Again this is significantly different owing to the nature of the
device. What is different is that the iPhone is not just a phone, but
is a PDA. So there is actually an application that you go into to
make the calls. Navigating around this takes a bit of getting used
to, but again as you are familiar with the touch you shouldn't have a
problem.

Oddly enough, the thing that gave me most trouble wasn't actually
making the calls, but dealing with those automated phone systems.
Because you're

device is based on a capacitive touchscreen, you have to hold the
phone away from you (just as though you were texting) in order to
"press one to go on hold, press 2 to go insane waiting" etc.  The
reason for this is that the touch capability is disabled when the
phone is held against the ear and at an angle which suggests that you
are having a conversation. Otherwise, contact with the ear might
trigger some of the buttons such as mute, call-hold etc.

Apart from this, there are no major difficulties in my opinion.
Apologies for the length of the mail, as I said if you need more info
please feel free to pop me off a mail.  Alternatively, I'l be at the
event on Saturday

so you can take a proper look at the iPhone if you wish.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 9 Jun 2010, at 17:01, Joan Ann Brosnan wrote:

Hello
I am looking for some feedback as I need to buy a new phone.

I was using the n86 which is a nice phone.  I've only had it about 3
months.  I was having problems with the charger socket of the phone
and so I sent it away but, I've been told that it can't be fixed and
is not covered by a warranty.

Does anyone know, What phones are currently available that work with
talks?

For those of you using the IPhone, would you recommend it as a phone
and, do you find it easy to navigate with regard to making and
receiving calls

and sending text messages.

I have an ITouch so, I'm familiar with the concept of touch screens
and have no problem navigating it so, that won't be a problem.

Thanks for any info
Joan Ann.

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