Blankhi folks heres the state of play with my O E a friend tells me my messages are getting through to the vics list. i dont see them there but normally i would. my sent folder shows the message is sent my deleted items folder for some reason has the messages i send to vics. further if i send a message to myself it appears in the sent items folder which is normal but it also appears in the deleted items folder and it does not appear in my inbox. so far i have got rid of all my message rules in case there is a conflict i have also done a system restore to last monday because the problem was not there then. any ideas folks miss ye ! regards Paul H