Paul, This is gonna be a long one. When did you last compact your Outlook Express folders? (XP SP2 and up does this every 100 times you close outlook Express. you can do it manually, from the message list with alt-f, f, f. This sometimes clears up problems with Outlook Express. system Restore doesn't. (Recommended: Do not touch the keyboard at all during this compaction. Also, 'work offline' beforehand with alt-f, w, just to make certain nothing else is going on.) If you look in your Recycle Bin, you may find there are .bak files with the names of your Outlook Express folders. These are backup copies of your OE folders which are now made before Outlook Express compacts (or compresses) your folders. (Occasionally, folders can become corrupted during compacting: Thus the provision of a backup facility. This came in during the cycle of Windows XP SP2 and is now also in SP3.) Are you receiving any messages in your inbox now? You appear to be saying that a copy of your own messages when they are sent to VICS also goes into your Recycle Binn; but might that not be the received messages from vics that are going there? How about your other messages sent to lists - are they likewise going there? For a resolution, I estimate that you have two choices. One is to do the Compact All folders - which process I outlined earlier. (This is the way i think I'd go first of all. Compacting has solved problems like this for me before.) the second choice is to: locate where the messages are stored in outlook Express, if you don't already know it. (You can find this location in Outlook Express Tools Options Maintenance Tab, Store folders button, which shows the long name and file path. (Copy this path to the clipboard, if you like. You may use it later to get there in windows Explorer, in which you can have the Address Bar checked - view menu, enter on Address bar to check the Address bar - Windows Explorer.) find out which folder is the defective one; then close outlook Express: find the equivalent .bak file in the Recycle Bin (making sure that hidden files are being displayed, in windows Explorer), and restoring that file to the message store, whose file path is a long one, and this is not quite the same thing yet as your folder in Outlook Express. Now, you will need to remove the defective .dbx (Outlook Express folder/file) - move it to the desktop or some other location out of this picture. And, using F2, RENAME your .bak file to .dbx with EXACTLY the same folder name as your defective folder. that done, and confirmed: Close Windows Explorer, and re-open Outlook Express. Your renamed folder should now have replaced the defective one. This sounds complicated: But if you have to do it, you will! If you want to pursue this latter option but hav questions or want more detail, contact me off list. Look in your Recycle Bin and see if you've got a lot of those .bak files. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Halligan" <tigerone@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: [vicsireland] re O E message problem Paul H Blankhi folks heres the state of play with my O E a friend tells me my messages are getting through to the vics list. i dont see them there but normally i would. my sent folder shows the message is sent my deleted items folder for some reason has the messages i send to vics. further if i send a message to myself it appears in the sent items folder which is normal but it also appears in the deleted items folder and it does not appear in my inbox. so far i have got rid of all my message rules in case there is a conflict i have also done a system restore to last monday because the problem was not there then. any ideas folks miss ye ! regards Paul H =========================================================== The vicsireland mailing list To unsubscribe at any time send a mail to: vicsireland-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe", without the quotes in the subject of the message. To contact the moderator send mail to: tim.j.culhane@xxxxxxxxx For mor information on the Visually Impaired Computer Society visit: http://www.vicsireland.org