[access-uk] Re: How accessible ar I phones?
- From: "Hussein Patwa" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 20:40:15 +0100
Hi,
Interesting. I'm due to try out an iPhone for a couple of weeks soon after
my friend raved about it. The typing is the only thing that really lets it
down in my opinion. Now if they'd built speech recognition into it, that
would change the whole appeal massively. On the plus side, it's got a damn
impressive mail client, although to balance that you're going to be stuck
with iTunes and it's many quirks unless you're prepared to hack around it.
Oh, and I just love how Apple are not at all shy in telling us the right way
to unlock it and bypass their security systems. That's classic and sure to
be a hit with customers.
Roll on the courier with my iPhone!
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
James & Nash
Sent: 04 April 2010 19:16
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: How accessible ar I phones?
Hi Hussein
> On 3 Apr 2010, at 17:01, Hussein Patwa wrote:
>
>> what do you think of the move now by developers to not go through
>> the Apple Store for ap marketing due to their tightened quality control
>> measures? I've heard from quite a few dev's who've said they are
basically
>> going to go open market with their apps and damn the Apple store.
Obviously
>> whereas this is good for consumer choice, it'll have a definite impact on
>> accessibility as it is no longer a mandatory criteria for app
certification
>> (loosely speaking).
I think that the developers are doing what they think is right. I am not
sure that it will have a detrimental impact on accessibility though, as the
great majority of developers - at least in my experience, are very receptive
to requests for accessibility. I think though that it may hurt Apple
themselves, although their desire for consistency and exactness is
commendable, they may have shot themselves in the foot by trying to exercise
such tight controls over their developers.
>> 2. Regarding the iPhone 4.0, you might want to look into the iPhone HD
>> which Apple are rumoured to be bringing out in May/June. Also, firmware
>> updates for the current iPhone series. Personally I hope it's sooner
rather
>> than later so we can at least get the Jailbreak fix the mods have been
>> sitting on since 3.13 firmware was released.
I am awaiting with interest Apple's 4.0 release. As i said, I do not have an
IPhone yet, and I'm not sure that I will, although the prospect of in-built
accessibility is appealing. Also, as a long-time Mac user, i already have
some experience with Apple's approach and so am not in the same position
that many other Blind users who are full-time Windows users may be. The
continued misrepresentation of Apple's approach by many key Blindness
organizations is concerning, as there is a genuine apprehension - even
dislike and distrust of Apple's products - in fact, anything that does not
carry the Windows and Windows Access solutions stamp of approval. Voice
Over is not perfect, but the IPhone has opened up the possibility for many
Blind users who would otherwise not have looked twice at Apple to explore
the accessibility that they have introduced.
>> 3. Is there any substance to the rumour that v4 firmware will bring
>> multi-tasking to the whole range of compatible devices?
I am not sure about this, because as others have said, for good or bad,
Apple are very secretive about their innovations. I will continue to look
and report back to the list. But I would not be surprised if it was coming.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>> Hi,
>>
>> A couple of points I wanted to query:
>>
>> 1. You mention Apple apps and some third party apps are accessible with
>> voiceover. Now if we assume Apple would want the vast majority, if not
all
>> apps to be accessible if only so people will use them and continue to buy
>> from them, what do you think of the move now by developers to not go
through
>> the Apple Store for ap marketing due to their tightened quality control
>> measures? I've heard from quite a few dev's who've said they are
basically
>> going to go open market with their apps and damn the Apple store.
Obviously
>> whereas this is good for consumer choice, it'll have a definite impact on
>> accessibility as it is no longer a mandatory criteria for app
certification
>> (loosely speaking).
>>
>> 2. Regarding the iPhone 4.0, you might want to look into the iPhone HD
>> which Apple are rumoured to be bringing out in May/June. Also, firmware
>> updates for the current iPhone series. Personally I hope it's sooner
rather
>> than later so we can at least get the Jailbreak fix the mods have been
>> sitting on since 3.13 firmware was released.
>>
>> 3. Is there any substance to the rumour that v4 firmware will bring
>> multi-tasking to the whole range of compatible devices?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> _______________________________________
>> Have a pleasant day,
>>
>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
>>
>> Hussein.
>>
>> Hussein Patwa
>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
>> James & Nash
>> Sent: 02 April 2010 12:44
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: How accessible ar I phones?
>>
>> Hi Audrey,
>>
>> The Iphone 3GS series now come with Voice Over, which gives complete
access
>> to all of the applications on the phone. From what I have heard, there
are
>> many other third party applications which also work with Voice Over.
>>
>> As you are probably aware, the IPhone is a touch screen device, but from
my
>> initial exploration, it seems very intuitive once you get the hang of it.
>> Niether of us have one yet, but we're looking into the possibility for
the
>> future.
>>
>> Many blind people have switched to the IPhone and are very happy with it
by
>> all accounts. The only warning I would give is that like all Apple
products,
>> the IPhone is considerably more expensive than your standard cell phone.
But
>> the initial cost is nothing compared to the gains that you will be
getting
>> from an in-built Screen Reader. If I were you though I would wait for a
few
>> more months though as Apple are slated to release IPhone 4.0 in June. I
do
>> not know if this is purely a software upgrade or a brand new cell phone.
If
>> it is the latter, then the older models may come down in price.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> TC
>> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>> On 1 Apr 2010, at 11:39, Audrey Tonge wrote:
>>
>>> HI all.
>>>
>>> I am probably way behind here, but wanted to know how accessible
I-phones
>>> are these days for totally blind users? I can now get web access and am
>>> often better off using a mobile in various situations in my life. Just
>>> wondered if they are worth going for?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Audrey
>>>
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