Hi Ibrahim, Your message and others just illustrates that there are just as many Symbian apps if not more. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Thursday 31 December 2009 07:08 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs Hi Steve. Or, if you can't even be bothered to learn those commands, you could always use a program like T9Nav, I bought it the other day for just over a fiver for my N86 and its a killer app for saving time and finding those hard to get to functions. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs > Hi Peter, > > With respect, that's probably because you didn't take the time to learn > Symbian <Smile>. > > For example, if Contacts is your sixth option in the menu, you don't have > to > arrow at all, just press the menu and hit 6. > > If you want the 11th option, hit Star, and the twelfth hit Hash. Bet you > didn't know that? > > If you want the 20th option then life gets a little trickier, but start > arrowing up rather than down. > > Also you can set up to 8 shortcuts on your phone, which can be accessed > with > single keys, using the joystick and key1 and key2. > > Because you really wanted to learn the iPhone, you did, and I respect > that, > but people don't always invest the time to learn Talks and the phone > itself. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Peter Holdstock > Sent: Wednesday 30 December 2009 19:19 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs > > I'd disagree and say it's a very good interface for the blind. The only > downfall is the typing but now that apps such as dragon dictate are around > that problem is solved. I can work much quicker using the iphone/ipod > gestures then I ever could with Talks, having to try and move around a > screen and navigate menus. > > Peter > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:41 PM > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs > >> Hi Hussein, >> >> You seem to make some assumptions here. >> >> I am totally blind and I use the iPod touch. It is not an efficient >> interface for the blind, but totally usable, and pretty well accessible. >> But Apple have designed voiceover so that it can be used by totals. >> >> It's a good music player, but I wouldn't want an iPhone for example, as >> for >> productivity it really sucks big time in my view. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> Of >> Hussein Patwa >> Sent: Wednesday 30 December 2009 02:32 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> Thanks for your post. You're the first VI person I've come across using >> the >> Touch and I'd be fascinated at just how much of the functionality of the >> device you are able to use whilst remaining with the stock firmware. If >> you >> don't mind my prying, but you must have some residual sight to handle the >> touch interface? Would you say this is worth considering for others >> needing >> to look for a new media player (for example, if my iPod Video ever kicks >> the >> bucket) or would it be too difficult to handle? >> >> Now for your questions. For video conversion I use AVS Video Converter. >> It >> is a paid for solution but offers a wide range of presets you can choose >> from, including for iPods. It's also accessible with my Supernova screen >> reader, or easy to see if you are using magnification. No doubt someone >> will offer a free solution as I'm sure I've heard of one myself, but the >> name escapes me right now. >> >> HTH. >> >> _______________________________________ >> Have a pleasant day, >> >> Kind Regards and Best Wishes, >> >> Hussein. >> >> Hussein Patwa >> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) >> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) >> Skype: patwaspotterfan2 >> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter >> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk >> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com >> >> Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 >> >> Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be >> connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to >> calling. >> Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if >> required. 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I've listened to a couple of podcasts re this and have >> got >> to grips pretty well with it's function and how to get around it. I have >> a >> couple of questions however. I know there is a more specialised list >> which >> T and T run but wondered if there were many on the list? Also, does >> anyone >> have the sub details? >> >> Now for my questions: >> >> 1 What is the easiest way to get .avi files onto the ipod? I believe >> they >> need to be converted first, how do people find the accessibility of these >> conversion tools? Also, where can I get the most accessible one from? >> >> When I go into the music section of the front screen, is there a way to >> easily switch between artis, album and song views? How easy is it to set >> up >> play lists? >> >> Anyone got any suggestions for really cool aps which are free? Also >> though, >> any paid ones which, again, are accessible? >> >> I am pretty knocked out at how easy the touch screen is to manipulate. >> As >> an additional question, how accessible are apple mac computers in >> general? >> presumably, there is more facilities in the full blown voice over ap? I >> hear it is akin to window eyes? So, does that mean you can get the list >> of >> links etc in safari? >> >> Are there any more tutorials etc for the touch? 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