Hi Jackie I have changed subject line a I think there is room for a wider Debate on some issues here. I understand all you are saying and I was surprised nobody can read Grade 2 Braille. But then just a sec, maybe not surprised! Few weeks ago I had a demonstration by Humanware of a new Package aimed at the deafblind. They call is DBC I think Stands for deafblind communicator. Anyway the lady that gave me the demonstration didn't seem to know Braille! And this caused some confusion! So after that failed demonstration Alan Davis came to me, Not too sure if he knows Braille, but he certainly was far better At explaining what he was showing me. I am now told the trainer will be a guy called Martin (I forget his surname) works for Humanware in UK. A don't think a sighted driver would be happy for a car Salesman to be a non driver, so to a point I agree There is a need for those that sell Braille displays, to know Both grade 1 and 2 Braille. I do not accept the person must be blind, because there are Many sighted people out there that know Braille very well. Regards, Derek ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq