[AR] Re:[AR] ] “Transitioning space propulsion to a nitrous-based industry standard”

  • From: John Dom <johndom@xxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:31:59 +0200 (CEST)


IIRC, WFNA was used in Nike Ajax SAMs with aniline fuel in stage 2. Slug ignition.

Same in Vanguard talking 19 fifties.

John D

















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In Ignition! John D. Clark mentions that furfural comes from oat hulls and Quaker Oats was glad to sell it. It was burned with WFNA or RFNA, I didn’t see any reference about using it with peroxide. 










  The book seems essential to those involved with liquid rockets. 







On Apr 4, 2023, at 18:02, Troy Prideaux <troy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:










   



I vaguely recall of some (patent?) claims of hypergolic fuels for HTP being based around non-exotic alcohols, but there was always a secret spice that was added to weave the magic. Alas, with many such claims, the magic was more sleight of hand with showstopping caveats than game-changing discoveries.

 

Troy

 







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Troy -





 





This is scratching the deepest recesses of my brain but I remember reading about a HTP-based vehicle in development circa the mid 2000s that was supposed to use (perhaps wood alcohol?) alcohol as part of the igniter.





 





The key factor was that it was basically a waste product from… grain production?  Quaker Oats, seriously, rings a bell.





 





I have no idea what keywords to use to find that article again but it may well have been something in the nitric acid family and not HTP.





 





On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 7:48 PM Troy Prideaux <troy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:troy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:








Matthew, you might be getting confused with Nitric Acid (RFNA or WFNA). I can’t recall any straight alcohol being hypergolic with HTP. I would definitely be quite excited to learn if there was something not too exotic available.
















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