Michael Clive <clive@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: snip > Why do I want to do this? This would change the entire game as far as > mars colonization and settlement is concerned. Michael, I work on making power satellites economical. That's not of interest to SpaceX (Musk) but the propulsion problem is similar in delta V. I have not seen the paper, but someone quoted to me that they were seeing 30-50 micronewtons. Let's assume the power level was on the order of a kW and gave ~40 micronewtons or ~40 micronewtons per kW. For electric thrusters, a kg of reaction mass per second accelerated to 20 km/s (typical VASIMR) acquires a Ke of 1/2 mV^2. This takes 200 MW (at 100% efficient). The force is 1kg x 20,000 m/s or 20,000 Newtons, 100 N/MW or 0.1 N/kW, which is 100,000 micronewtons per kW. Reducing this number is the VASIMR efficiency (~70%) and the reaction mass fraction, which for LEO to GEO and this exhaust velocity is around 20%. Earth to Mars is similar. It's still 1000 times more energy effective to use ion engines, assuming I have not made some boneheaded error. Keith Henson, L5 Society founder and EE (if you still need one)