I have seen it a couple of times now... <snip /> <quote> work = force * distance power = work / time Assuming the thruster takes a constant power input and produces a constant output force regardless of its speed. The thought experiment I propose is to put the thruster on an arm connected to a generator so as the thruster thrusts the arm spins the generator. The power from the generator is going to be speed * force (In the real world speed = volts, torque = amps) As RPM of the motor goes up the power the generator makes will increase for the same constant torque value. At some point the power generated will exceed that required to run the generator and presto you have a perpetual motion machine. </quote> <snip /> The problem with this is that it will work for anything. A series coupled DC motor will run to infinity RPMs, and therefore you can attach a generator to it and obtain overunity. No! There are losses, so that the maximum RPM is dictated by the state where losses use all the entered power. So is It also with this illusive drive. As you speed up anything, including your fancy spaceship in "empty" space, you will reach a point where losses to the surroundings will eat up any extra supplied power? There! You overunity seekers. Go back to lurking. We are not on perpetual motion yet. Unless I have overlooked something. Keld Laursen