I'll kick in what I can- I helped Ardusat raise almost $200k in a Kickstarter. We need more of a Tesla than a Marconi though I think :) I can make whatever parts you want. I'm willing to give it a go. What's the worst that could happen? We fail? Trying to move forward. I think the interferometer idea you had is best. I have some ideas on how to implement it. Monroe > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AR] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster (was > "Anyone heardof this?") > From: Michael Clive <clive@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Sun, August 03, 2014 11:13 pm > To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > my idea is just,well, build enough of these things, test em, and let the > data rule all. The math will come after. The capital outlay is in the 100k > range, which is feasible for a crowdfund/private partnership. > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:04 PM, <joesmith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > In the late 1890's Marconi invented the wireless,working off the efforts > > of such as > > Henry,Maxwell and Hertz. > > The world was changed overnight,forever after. > > Logically we should have to ask not ''when'' but ''how soon'' and > > ''who''. > > Nobody can deny the technology exist,,but how do we tie it together as the > > 20 year old Italian did?. > > Don't you think that it is about time to come un-STUCK? > > > > > > On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:47:11 -0700, "Monroe L. King Jr." < > > monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > There is the theory Hawking Radiation (which was mostly proven wrong) > > > >> But there is the radiation emitted from black holes. It takes a hell of > >> a gravity well to produce it. But as the particles reach the horizon > >> it's like there it produces a particle and an anti particle and one > >> falls over the horizon and the other escapes if they do no annihilate > >> each other first. For me that explains why we have more matter than anti > >> mater in our universe. Black holes sweeping up the floor all the time > >> for eons. > >> I am sure you guy's could care less what I think. But it's going to > >> take a hell of a lot of energy to make the next breakthrough (like a > >> tiny black hole) or being able to actually see the event horizon and > >> measure something from a far off black hole (Like the massive one at the > >> center of our galaxy) But Hawking was trying to explain why or where the > >> matter goes? Why not a "Big Bang" on the other side? Why not if the > >> gravity is so > >> great the singularity smashes down so far to the Higgs or beyond and > >> that energy is expelled into another universe? > >> > >> One thing is for sure they don't expel anything but some minor > >> radiation in our universe. Where does all that matter go? > >> > >> Black holes do die! They eventually evaporate. > >> Anyway bla bla bla. With no proof. > >> Mathematics is like building skyscrapers with geometric shapes that > >> seem to resemble something we call building blocks. Lots of ways to > >> build something but eventually you reach the top. We have whole cities > >> of blocks that over time we have made fit together. > >> We are at the pinnacle of what we can do with our building blocks made > >> of stone. So what we have to do now is discover steel and concrete. > >> The new cities we build will look nothing like the ones we have now. > >> Maybe a bit here some architecture there you can recognize. But beyond > >> that it just wont be the same anymore. > >> That's how far we have come. Pretty damn far! But we are so so so very > >> far from understanding it all it's not even funny. > >> Monroe > -------- Original Message -------- > >> > Subject: [AR] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster (was > >> > "Anyone heard of this?") > >> > From: Ian Woollard<ian.woollard@xxxxxxxxx> > >> > Date: Sun, August 03, 2014 3:09 pm > >> > To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > > If you have photons leaving in significant numbers you will have at > >> least > >> > some thrust; but that's a conventional photon rocket. Photon rockets > >> give > >> > very small thrust and are highly inefficient; it turns out that almost > >> all > >> > the energy leaves with the photons and hardly any ends up accelerating > >> the > >> > vehicle. (It's due to the extreme mismatch between the exhaust speed and > >> > vehicle speed, you always want the two to be about the same-ish > >> relative to > >> > the launch frame of reference aka inertial reference frame.) > >> > > Note that these thrusters have no photons leaving other than thermal > >> ones > >> > due to waste heat; they consist of sealed cavities filled with > >> microwaves. > They claim that by quantum/relativistic/magic/somehow they > >> will start > >> > moving all by themselves. > > I'll only really believe it if it floats > >> up into the sky and yanks the > >> > power cord out of the wall. > > > On 3 August 2014 09:23, Steen Eiler > >> Jørgensen<steen@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > > > Den 03-08-2014 02:09, Ian Woollard skrev: > >> > > > >> > > > There's essentially no chance that a thruster can work where you > >> turn > >> > > > it on, feeding only electricity through it, and with nothing leaving > >> > > > it; where you switch it off, and you're now moving faster. This is > >> > > > what the emdrive is claimed to do. > > > >> > > Please define "nothing". Photons (e.g.) have no mass, but nonzero > >> momentum. > > > >> > > /steen > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- > -Ian Woollard > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >