[AR] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster (was "Anyone heardof this?")
- From: Florin Mingireanu <florin.mingireanu82@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 19:17:05 +0300
If it works then it is probably worth 100K times 100K :-)
However, it needs to be proven that it works.
Best regards,
Florin Mingireanu
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:14 PM, <rclague@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> One man proposes to build an experimental apparatus. Another man invokes
> authority.
>
> One of these is science. The other is not.
>
> Clive, I'm in for $10.
>
> -R
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> *From: * David Gregory <david.c.gregory@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sender: * arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Date: *Mon, 4 Aug 2014 07:52:30 -0700
> *To: *arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *ReplyTo: * arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject: *[AR] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster (was
> "Anyone heardof this?")
>
> You're going to spend 100k to test a machine that appears to violate
> Newton's third law?
>
> On Aug 3, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Michael Clive <clive@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> my idea is just,well, build enough of these things, test em, and let the
> data rule all. The math will come after. The capital outlay is in the 100k
> range, which is feasible for a crowdfund/private partnership.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:04 PM, <joesmith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> In the late 1890's Marconi invented the wireless,working off the efforts
>> of such as
>> Henry,Maxwell and Hertz.
>> The world was changed overnight,forever after.
>> Logically we should have to ask not ''when'' but ''how soon'' and
>> ''who''.
>> Nobody can deny the technology exist,,but how do we tie it together as
>> the
>> 20 year old Italian did?.
>> Don't you think that it is about time to come un-STUCK?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:47:11 -0700, "Monroe L. King Jr." <
>> monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> There is the theory Hawking Radiation (which was mostly proven wrong)
>>
>>> But there is the radiation emitted from black holes. It takes a hell of
>>> a gravity well to produce it. But as the particles reach the horizon
>>> it's like there it produces a particle and an anti particle and one
>>> falls over the horizon and the other escapes if they do no annihilate
>>> each other first. For me that explains why we have more matter than anti
>>> mater in our universe. Black holes sweeping up the floor all the time
>>> for eons.
>>> I am sure you guy's could care less what I think. But it's going to
>>> take a hell of a lot of energy to make the next breakthrough (like a
>>> tiny black hole) or being able to actually see the event horizon and
>>> measure something from a far off black hole (Like the massive one at the
>>> center of our galaxy) But Hawking was trying to explain why or where the
>>> matter goes? Why not a "Big Bang" on the other side? Why not if the
>>> gravity is so
>>> great the singularity smashes down so far to the Higgs or beyond and
>>> that energy is expelled into another universe?
>>>
>>> One thing is for sure they don't expel anything but some minor
>>> radiation in our universe. Where does all that matter go?
>>>
>>> Black holes do die! They eventually evaporate.
>>> Anyway bla bla bla. With no proof.
>>> Mathematics is like building skyscrapers with geometric shapes that
>>> seem to resemble something we call building blocks. Lots of ways to
>>> build something but eventually you reach the top. We have whole cities
>>> of blocks that over time we have made fit together.
>>> We are at the pinnacle of what we can do with our building blocks made
>>> of stone. So what we have to do now is discover steel and concrete.
>>> The new cities we build will look nothing like the ones we have now.
>>> Maybe a bit here some architecture there you can recognize. But beyond
>>> that it just wont be the same anymore.
>>> That's how far we have come. Pretty damn far! But we are so so so very
>>> far from understanding it all it's not even funny.
>>> Monroe > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject: [AR] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster (was
>>> > "Anyone heard of this?")
>>> > From: Ian Woollard<ian.woollard@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Date: Sun, August 03, 2014 3:09 pm
>>> > To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > If you have photons leaving in significant numbers you will have
>>> at least
>>> > some thrust; but that's a conventional photon rocket. Photon rockets
>>> give
>>> > very small thrust and are highly inefficient; it turns out that almost
>>> all
>>> > the energy leaves with the photons and hardly any ends up accelerating
>>> the
>>> > vehicle. (It's due to the extreme mismatch between the exhaust speed
>>> and
>>> > vehicle speed, you always want the two to be about the same-ish
>>> relative to
>>> > the launch frame of reference aka inertial reference frame.)
>>> > > Note that these thrusters have no photons leaving other than thermal
>>> ones
>>> > due to waste heat; they consist of sealed cavities filled with
>>> microwaves. > They claim that by quantum/relativistic/magic/somehow
>>> they will start
>>> > moving all by themselves. > > I'll only really believe it if it floats
>>> up into the sky and yanks the
>>> > power cord out of the wall. > > > On 3 August 2014 09:23, Steen Eiler
>>> Jørgensen<steen@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > > > Den 03-08-2014 02:09, Ian Woollard skrev:
>>> > >
>>> > > > There's essentially no chance that a thruster can work where you
>>> turn
>>> > > > it on, feeding only electricity through it, and with nothing
>>> leaving
>>> > > > it; where you switch it off, and you're now moving faster. This is
>>> > > > what the emdrive is claimed to do. > >
>>> > > Please define "nothing". Photons (e.g.) have no mass, but nonzero
>>> momentum. > >
>>> > > /steen
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > -- > -Ian Woollard
>>>
>>>
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