Not really a preburner and not really adding any complexity; the TEA system was
needed for ignition, increasing the size of that tank was all that was required
to eliminate most combustion instability.
I can't speak to other technical solutions; but note that it does not require
all that much heat to vaporize a Lox fog.
Bill
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On Aug 4, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Interesting. So if I'm understanding this correctly, you're talking about
something like an oxygen-rich preburner to make sure the oxidizer is
thoroughly vaporized as being useful for large hybrids.
Makes sense of what VG might be having methane onboard SS2 for. I'd been
wondering about that.
It sounds like the sort of thing one would come up with after already
committing to large hybrids, then hitting the (apparently fairly typical)
uneven combustion, to make them actually work. If you assume from the start
you'll need some sort of preburner with a separate fuel system, I'd think
large hybrids would lose their lower-parts-count edge over biprops in the
tradeoffs.
On 8/4/2015 11:37 AM, Bill Claybaugh wrote:
Mark:
It seems like an AN & ice water mix could be tailored to your temperature
goals. But why not go to a dry ice cooler and maximum density: a single pass
on a couple of coils should get you what you are seeking. LN2 is also
obviously an answer; both can be had in Mojave.
As Anthony has hinted, you will need a heat source at the head end to assure
the N2O fog is vaporized, otherwise combustion will be rough and unstable.
At Amroc we injected TEA throughout the burn to vaporize the Lox; I gather
VG is using Methane in the SS2 nylon motor.
Bill
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On Aug 3, 2015, at 9:33 PM, Mark C Spiegl <mark.spiegl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Wow... Im out of the office for a day and my inbox is full! :-)
Anyway.. Anyone who has followed my hybrid projects knows Im a fan of high
density Nitrous. Im looking to cool 20-50 lbs of Nitrous to 25-ish degF.
Goals:
(1) Flashing liquid to vapor to chill Nitrous is fine in a motor burning
10-20 lbs of Nitrous. Much above 20lbs (esp in the desert), flashing liquid
to gas becomes impractical. I would like to start a little closer to my
target temperature of 22 degF. The Peltier, Stirling Cooler, or whatever
would chill the supply tank, not the rocket tank.
I know ice is a quick-and-dirty answer, but I would like something a little
more elegant and deterministic. Bags of ice aren't a great answer at FAR or
Blackrock.
(2) I have had trouble igniting high density Nitrous in warm weather. Cold
weather is no problem. I cannot prove what is happening, but I suspect
temperature gradients in the long thin Nitrous tank are causing the
problem. If the Nitrous is 22 degF at the top of the tank, it may be much
much colder at the injector. Supplying Nitrous close to the final
temperature should help mitigate this problem, if Im correct.
A related question: Any simple ways to equalize temperature between the
top and bottom of the rocket's oxidizer tank???
--MCS
(Im an EE kind of person so my solutions tend to feel like electronics...
ie Peltiers)