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K
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 6:11 PM Matthew JL <prmattjl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Call it a “game changer” when Exxon tries to use the same
ignorance-is-bliss technique to exploit federally protected land…
Best,
-Matt L.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 9:05 PM roxanna Mason <rocketmaster.ken@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
No matter how you dice and slice it, SpaceX and it's aspirations is/are
unprecedented and writing the book on various industries. A real game
changer and government(s) need to adapt and hopefully not impede,too much.
Ken
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 6:01 PM Matthew JL <prmattjl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Don’t forget the 250 MW plant they want to install on-site… which
likewise should trigger an EIS but was almost completely overlooked in the
report to the FAA.
This is a gigantic oversight that could stonewall the whole project, and
that’s the most charitable label I can affix to it.
Best,
-Matt L.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 7:57 PM roxanna Mason <
rocketmaster.ken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Good point and probably correct, tankers can unload without ever
dropping anchor in a port.
But back at the ranch. It seems that being in Texas one of the richest,
if not the richest NG source, that NG can be supplied to meet SpaceX needs
for the foreseeable future even if it has to be trucked across Texas
freeways and roads.
I remember working at Edwards AFRL rubbing elbows with the old timers
that were there during the F-1 development days. My old supervisor at area
1-42 Larry Wilburn said there were long lines of LOx tankers going up the
hill to the big test stands to supplement LOx that the on site air
reduction facility couldn't keep up with the demand for round the clock
testing. 2 tons per second adds up quickly.
Ken
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:44 PM Doug Jones <rocketplumber@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Boca Chica is only getting FAA permits for five orbital launches per
year. The LNG will probably be delivered to a floating launch platform
(Phobos or Deimos) well offshore, with much simpler permitting and safety
requirements. Both Starships and Superheavies could be delivered to the
orbital launch platform(s) via a relatively short suborbital hop/checkout
flight. SH delivery flights might need fairings on the top, but those
could
be just another nose, possibly carried back to Boca Chica via a barge.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 6:22 PM Michael Kelly <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Apollo program generated the huge demand for liquid hydrogen that
resulted in a gigantic production facility in Ontario, CA. It supplied
both Rocketdyne’s Santa Susanna test facility and the Cape, all via over
the road trucks. Liquid methane is easier to truck, and much easier to
ship via…well, ship. A port to receive methane ships at SpaceX’s
facility
would be easy. But Elon has evidently been developing methane sources in
Texas himself.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
that the environmental assessment for SpaceX's Boca Chica launch site
The next item down in Space News's "First Up" newsletter reports
raised an interesting question. They're going to need methane in large
quantities, both for the rockets and for a natural-gas powerplant that's
part of the site plans. How are they going to get it there? Apparently
there's no operational gas pipeline in the area, and the current
paperwork
is silent on the matter.
Henry