Here is an amateur bi-propellant HTP rocket... from 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAd1idcWlE
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Timothy Bendel, Frontier Astronautics <
Timothy.Bendel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
himself, your business silo companion.""I wonder why you wrote your email instead of letting Michael do that
Because you were so off base.Or because he couldn't care less to react?
Or because he has a job that needs his full attention.
to use cheaper iron nitrate instead of messy permanganate. They never evenWhy would I even think to insult the Breeds of this list? I did tell them" An abandoned ICBM silo enterprise eh, like the Breeds on this list."Are you insulting Paul Breed?
tried that I think.
I see. So you are not "insulting" Paul but you are gloating over your
advice to him.
no amateur ever was capable to launch a kerosene-peroxide bipropellant" My question regarded only (about to correct me if I was wrong) that
rocket."
missions because amateurs have not done it?No amateur has put something in orbit either. Should we dismiss orbital
People who can put something in orbit are not amateurs. Your remark ispointless.
Technically, people who do not *make money* off of their projects are
amateurs. By the way, why do you care if an amateur has made a hydrogen
peroxide bi-propellant rocket before. There is always the first time
(unless you never try).
Beal. As for "bad press", do I have to remind you of all the negative armXL Space Systems went away because Michael decided to work directly for
chair commentaries about SpaceX when they started? >The point I was making
was that Michael Carden made a huge amount of hydrogen peroxide for Beal
and it did work.
The press said it did not. His "plant" at MacGregor was torn down, next
rebuilt in Michael's absence and the HP produced was by a different
installation design. Check the internet: many sources from around the
millennium, it is no secret.
You can ask Michael yourself if you want. I know that he did indeed make a
whole bunch of peroxide for Beal.
And why is "plant" in quotes. Disparaging remark I assume...
if the product meets specs?To be blunt, why should a customer care about the method of production
That is an IF question.To be blunt how many people are working to run the XL Space Systems
concentrator? One person, half time? More?
Why does it matter if he works half time in XL Space and half time in the
USAF reserves? Again, why should a customer care about the method of
production if the product meets specs?
That is indeed what was said then. Large chemical companies are afraid ofbad press with their product when accidents 'd occur with it by (maybe
irresponsible) entrepreneurs, what else? Hence their term "responsible
care". If I would own an HP company and someone got the great idea to mix
it with a propellant like alcohol, press it through a cat pack equipped
with glowplugs and proved it did not explode as yet... Now seriously, would
you give the go-ahead?
Now it sounds like you are insulting Armadillo.
actually get hydrogen peroxide.You can deal with FMC if you want. Call up XL Space and you will
Last Michael wrote me he was not ready to send HP to Europe. ± 3-4 yearsago.
Shipping concentrated peroxide out of the U.S. constitutes an export of
hazardous material. As such, one would need an export license. I would not
be surprised if Michael did not have such a license. I also suspect that
the EU would demand all sorts of licenses from whoever receives it as well.
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Subject: [AR] Re: peroxide purity (was: HTP supplier)
Timothy Bendel wrote:
himself, your business silo companion.""I wonder why you wrote your email instead of letting Michael do that
Because you were so off base.Or because he couldn't care less to react?
" An abandoned ICBM silo enterprise eh, like the Breeds on this list."
Are you insulting Paul Breed?
Why would I even think to insult the Breeds of this list? I did tell them
to use cheaper iron nitrate instead of messy permanganate. They never even
tried that I think.
no amateur ever was capable to launch a kerosene-peroxide bipropellant" My question regarded only (about to correct me if I was wrong) that
rocket."
No amateur has put something in orbit either. Should we dismiss orbitalmissions because amateurs have not done it?
People who can put something in orbit are not amateurs. Your remark is
pointless.
XL Space Systems went away because Michael decided to work directly forBeal. As for "bad press", do I have to remind you of all the negative arm
chair commentaries about SpaceX when they started? The point I was making
was that Michael Carden made a huge amount of hydrogen peroxide for Beal
and it did work.
The press said it did not. His "plant" at MacGregor was torn down, next
rebuilt in Michael's absence and the HP produced was by a different
installation design. Check the internet: many sources from around the
millennium, it is no secret.
peroxide. Not so for industry: they all use vacuum distillation, at least" Maybe a good idea to use a sparger to produce amateur hydrogen
up to 85 %."
Keep in mind that big companies like FMC have integrated plants thatmake many more chemicals then just hydrogen peroxide.
Integration is often possible. I know plants who produce HP just because
some process requires it. Like BASF, but they do not sell HP as a product
because of such integration possibility.
To be blunt, why should a customer care about the method of production ifthe product meets specs?
That is an IF question.
To be blunt how many people are working to run the XL Space Systems
concentrator? One person, half time? More?
and that is why they abandoned peroxide as a propellant. A pity after so" Now it seems FMC does sell peroxide to amateurs: well not to Armadillo
much experience gathered."
If they wouldn't sell to Armadillo, why would they sell to any otheramateur group? FMC gave Armadillo the run around saying that they would
sell to them *if* they only made a few safety changes at their shop.
Carmack made the changes and then FMC wanted more changes. After a while
Carmack realized they were just messing with him and would not sell to them.
That is indeed what was said then. Large chemical companies are afraid of
bad press with their product when accidents 'd occur with it by (maybe
irresponsible) entrepreneurs, what else? Hence their term "responsible
care". If I would own an HP company and someone got the great idea to mix
it with a propellant like alcohol, press it through a cat pack equipped
with glowplugs and proved it did not explode as yet... Now seriously, would
you give the go-ahead?
You can deal with FMC if you want. Call up XL Space and you willactually get hydrogen peroxide.
Last Michael wrote me he was not ready to send HP to Europe. ± 3-4 years
ago.
jd